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Forum: Armchair-GM12 févr. à 14 h 35
Sujet: do the oilers say yes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mr_Gardoki</b></div><div>Oh yeah? How about him sneaking Campbell in there? You think it's EDM that says no? That's rich.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mr_Gardoki</b></div><div>This board is going downhill fast</div></div>
So true dude

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NucksnOilers</b></div><div>I'm not saying the Pens say yes either, they can get a much stronger return elsewhere. Campbell costs one first to dump, his buyout never surpasses 2.75 million and it stays under 1.75 million for 3 of the 5 years. That doesn't cost two firsts.

So then it would be Mcleod + broberg + 25'1st + 25'3rd for JG and AN. I don't want JG for his price, he's a super valuable asset it's just that Edmonton doesn't need another top 6 piece. He would only be a rental as well. Mcleod is also essentially an untouchable for this team so yeah</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Timmah007</b></div><div>Who cares if Campbell is included. Only thing coming back of note is a top six forward for a few months. That doesn’t justify multiple firsts and two quality young players.</div></div>


My thought was guentzel was worth broberg+1st+3rd
Clearing Campbell’s contract=1st
Ned=mccleod
Tbh tho I don’t see Pit bringing in another big goalie contract… unless we’re completely rebuilding and saying Blomqvist is the next guy and in that case we’d move Jarry out too…
So while I think the package is close to fair in value objectively, the fit isn’t the best overall…
Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. à 16 h 32
Sujet: Losing eight out of eleven leads us to this
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mv21227</b></div><div>You aren’t getting Lekkerimaki</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Reason</b></div><div>I don't believe Lekkerimäki is completely off the table, but if he is traded it will be for a younger player with term or RFA status, not UFA.</div></div>

If VAN (or any team honestly) acquires Guentzel, they’ll probably try to resign him

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Byrr</b></div><div>Deadline rentals don't get the kind of return you have here for Guentzel, even the best players available.</div></div>

Go back and check last deadlines…as I’ve done… there are several lesser quality players that got most of that… plus Guentzel is the only major winger available
Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. à 14 h 57
Sujet: Too many giveaways
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensgm</b></div><div>I dont love retaining that much on EK or adding a 2. Sure they are different players and we need pesce more but factoring that retention and if he gets extened at 7mil plus its sort of like we are paying him 11 mil</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SomeonesOffended</b></div><div>Leafs pass Reilly is your problem next year lol</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac555</b></div><div>Is EK really the issue with the Pens? Hope you have an idea of more defenseman coming in with the cap space, because wow that defense is bad.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawksguy81</b></div><div>Can't imagine the Hawks would have any interest in 5 more seasons of Graves. Or that the Hawks aren't on his no trade list.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>nutrition1223</b></div><div>I find it fun that Ek is still putting up good numbers and has some value, yet everyone is selling him like he isn't good. It's the Penguins team, age, and system which is failing the players.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Snowhawk18</b></div><div>Every team not named Pittsburgh declines.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>We have Burns and DeAngelo already. Why would we want a 3rd OFD? You keep Karlsson.</div></div>

<em>It appears everything has already been said.</em>
I agree with everything and this all nonsense in this post makes less than zero sense...
Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. à 14 h 54
Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. à 14 h 48
Sujet: Going for it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SomeonesOffended</b></div><div>Love all the trades makes this team a cup favourite instantly</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dereliicte</b></div><div>Really nice work here. The deals make sense for Van and I think your valuations are all reasonable. I suspect PIT fans will want more for Jake.. but this is not far off IMHO.</div></div>

personally, i don't think PIT would be interested in Mikheyev only bc of the contract... i think dubas was the one that brought him to TOR, but the contract doesn't make sense for PIT bc if we're moving Guentzel we are doing a major retool minimum. as far as (Brzustewicz, Hunter [Reserve List])... i would need to know more but the other pieces are a starting point for a JG package...
Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. à 14 h 44
Sujet: 2 Key Trades I Would Make
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensgm</b></div><div>I would accept, I think the trade would be closer to what you have above than people think</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Vancity2196</b></div><div>If I was Dubas, I would accept the draft picks and Podkolzin, but not Kuzmenko.
Kuzmenko's value is low and his playing for another team is pointless.</div></div>

Definitely close on trade value but i'd prefer all prospects/picks/under-24 players on the cusp instead of Kuzmenko and i don't see VAN wanting to move Kuzmenko. i'd rather retain 50% on Jake and with double retention Jake would be at $1.5M.
that being said, if i'm dubas and pittsburgh, then i would take Kuz and let him play with Sid/Geno and PP1 then flip him in the offseason or next year at the TDL... so i'm ok with either... i just don't see keeping jake at this point... the pens have lost like 7 of 10 and barring extreme improvements in several areas i don't see this team making the playoffs unfortunately...
Forum: Armchair-GM18 janv. à 14 h 10
Sujet: Guentzel NSH Idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>nativewulf</b></div><div>NSH at the very least will not be big buyers this year at the TDL. More than likely we probably sell or make a couple of hockey trades of under-performing players looking for a change of scenery.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensgm</b></div><div>I would do that nsh trade, would they Im not so sure. I do think him going there makes some sense</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gmgb</b></div><div>Even if NSH were in a position where they should be going all in this year, that's an overpay.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensfan303</b></div><div>mayby after the 70th guentzel trade ACGM you make, you will realize we won't be moving Jake</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>herzausstein</b></div><div>If Nashville moves their #2C novak, it is becuase theyre packing it in for the year. Not to get an expensive wing upgrade. Their center depth is garbage with Novak and even worse without him. They are not a team that should even be considering making a move for an expensive winger. They need to be considering a young longterm center upgrade as clearly glass is a failure</div></div>

This doesn't make sense for NSH.
<a href="/users/gpmack95" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@gpmack95</a> bro why take a logical trade from another post and ruin it lol? like NSH can't afford to move Novak in this deal... if they're going for it, they aren't moving significant pieces from their current roster... plus this trade is skewed heavily to PIT... and if PIT is getting a 4th piece back besides Tomasino/1st/2nd then PIT probably is including another roster player to help NSH's playoff push...
Forum: Armchair-GM18 janv. à 13 h 56
Sujet: Tweaks for the Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gpmack95</b></div><div>Penguins don’t need Pionk (Letang AND Karlsson) and Pettersson isn’t avaliable unless its a crazy good offer.

Guentzel is avaliable though</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CanMerc</b></div><div>Jets Decline
This isn’t what WPG needs</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Victor24</b></div><div>Trading two elite pieces for depth pieces is a bad idea.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>you're another 1st round pick and at least 2 good prospects off lmao.

Awful trade, Dubas laughs and hangs up.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Neither player does anything for Winnipeg and rentals don't return that much.</div></div>

don't see this making sense for either team a lot... if WPG is trying to go for it, they would not subtract significant pieces off their current roster... and PIT is not thinking about moving Pettersson... guentzel is the easy one IF and ONLY IF the pens fall out of it big time... Pettersson may be moved in the offseason or at next year's TDL if the team is deciding to do a massive retool bordering on rebuilding... the only thing that could possibly happen to change the Pens minds and path forward from what I just said would be a pair of season-ending injuries to Sidney Crosby and Kris Letang... those 2 players are the only 2 irreplaceable players on the pens roster right now and subtracting them would alter the course for this year dramatically....
Forum: Armchair-GM18 janv. à 13 h 47
Sujet: Canada Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BigShoots</b></div><div>The problem with this is cap. If you are bringing in a guy who makes 6 mil to a cap strapped team you are going to have to give some money back. The usual suspect have been Myers, Garland but they are literally playing too well to trade. That is why Kuzmenko does make sense to ship in a deal for a top6 guy. First he's not contributing much, been healthy scratched as we know and his place on the PP and top 6 would be taken by Guentzel anyway.</div></div>

then with that being said, I think PIT can retain half on Jake which would put him at 3M (if a third team came in then he's down to 1.5M... which we saw at last year's TDL...) either that or it's a 3 way trade in the sense that pit takes whatever piece VAN sends their way and flips that for whatever...
Forum: Armchair-GM17 janv. à 15 h 40
Sujet: Canada Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>theleano1</b></div><div>Vancouver won't pay that much.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jbc149</b></div><div>Any team that gets Jake will pay at least that much.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BigShoots</b></div><div>If you devalue Kuzmenko to a negative asset maybe thats the value but he's a top 6 winger who scored more goals than guentzel last yr.

I don't think none play driving wingers have anywhere near that value though. I really like Guentzel but he finishes off passes from Crosby and Malkin.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Vancity2196</b></div><div>Remove Kuzmenko and Guentzel and it’s a fair deal for both sides.</div></div>

I don't see Vancouver subtracting a prolific piece like a Kuzmenko at the TDL... if PIT fell out of it and determined it was the best move to trade Guentzel, then it would be a mostly picks/prospects package... maybe a under-25 player also...
Forum: Fauteuil - DG12 janv. à 14 h 19
Sujet: Moving Guentzel while still having a Playoff run
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>datools</b></div><div>I absolutely hate the thought of Guentzel leaving.

If he does though I think this could be a good for for both teams. In my dream scenario we still sign him to 9.5x8 in the off-season</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensgm</b></div><div>Many people have been posting near the same Van trade.

to the point that its a swap both teams need im not so sure about. If he hits the market there will likely be a bidding war and this does not get it done</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensfan21</b></div><div>I think this is a logical move for both teams. I would say we try and get Hoglander back too, that way we not only get a replacement, but also some depth and a good player for the future. I don't think Kuzmenko will be able to make up for Guentzel's production, but if we continue to play structured hockey and good team defense I think we will be tough to beat regardless whose in the lineup.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Vancity2196</b></div><div>Canucks decline.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>igbpv</b></div><div>That’s good cause tbh, Pens probably ask for Nils back too or else it’s not good for them</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Victor24</b></div><div>If they trade Guentzel, this is probably close to the deal.

Both sides can walk away without an L for their players and fans.</div></div>

The best thing long term for the penguins franchise would be to lose some tight games in the next month and fall out of the playoff picture and flip guentzel for a 1st plus a good prospect maybe more depends on how many teams get involved… this does not mean PIT could not resign Jake in the off-season but if we were to trade him I doubt we would… obviously I’d hate to see guentzel leave, he would be a great career penguin, if he stayed in PIT till retirement no one would complain but the sooner the pens start trying to be terrible again and start building for the future the better the next era of penguins hockey will turn out
Forum: Armchair-GM12 janv. à 13 h 59
Sujet: Smith to LTIR
I had a ACGM a bit ago where I looked at pretty much every player that could help us on bad teams with a low cap hit (apologies my phrases are out of order) but I think of someone like Taylor Raddysh from CHI or Pat Maroon from MIN if we want a checking line forward

(((From my old post my complete list:

Centres- Nick Dowd, Oscar Sundqvist, Michael Pezetta, Travis Boyd

Wingers- Nicolas Aube-Kubel, Sammy Blais, Eeli Tolvanen, Brandon Duhaime, Ryan Hartman, Pat Maroon, Emil Bemstrom, Alexandre Texier, Boris Katchouk, Taylor Raddysh, Adam Ruzicka, Aj Greer, Dillon Dube (only with over 50% retention), Michael Carcone, Liam O'Brien

Defensemen- Dakota Mermis, Zach Bogosian, Adam Boqvist, Nick Seeler, Travis Dermott, Sean Durzi, Troy Stetcher

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4733914
)))

Obviously some of those teams may not sell… the pens have been linked to Michael Bunting of CAR who Dubas had in TOR but to fit his cap we’d have to move smith either LTIR him until the playoffs or trade him…
Also I saw a rumour regarding Ilya Lybushkin from ANA who dubas also had for a short time…