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Forum: Armchair-GM23 mars à 12 h 34
Sujet: Strangely optimistic for the future of the Pens
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Haymaker26</b></div><div>I see the method to the madness, but I disagree with the general premise. Skirting both buying and selling again doesn't do us any good. I'd like to pick a lane, be it going all in for one last push or blowing it up. To me, this team is mediocre, which is the worst thing a sports team can be.
And I don't think a full tank is impossible. A couple players will be hard to move (Graves, maybe Raks), and the big 3 should retire here. Almost everyone else is on the table.

With the Pettersson argument, part of the reason Guentzel got a lesser return is that he was pretty much guaranteed to be a rental. Pettersson is a couple years younger and could pretty easily sign an extention with a team at ~6-7M. Defensemen of that level have gotten a 1st+ at the last 3 deadlines: Hampus Lindholm, Dmitri Orlov, and Noah Hanifin. Why not the Dragon?

It makes sense, but I don't think another year like this one does us any good. The Pens need to pick a direction before time does it for them, if it hasn't already.</div></div>

i agree with you in the sense of being a 100% seller is the best path, but with all the NMC/NTC and bigger contracts thats almost impossible rn, that's why i said to sell of everything possible, (pettersson, eller, reilly smith) and i'd look to move karlson, jarry, rakell, etc if there were any takers... but a full sell is not possible, and we can't move out big contracts without taking some $ back... so i was attempting to lessen the term of some larger deals to free up more cap space sooner for pit, like the exact moves might not be feasible, but the premise stands as valid.
dubas has 6 more years on his contract, so he has to think long term which is why i don't see pettersson getting extended and i bet all signings or acquisitions are either younger players under-26 or 1-year deals for bounce back candidates or guys we can flip each and every deadline...
i agree with your logic 100%, i just don't see Pit being able to full out tear down for several years...
Forum: Armchair-GM21 mars à 17 h 32
Sujet: Strangely optimistic for the future of the Pens
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Haymaker26</b></div><div>I'm not particularly optimistic about this lineup.
Brown, Anderson, and Krug aren't exactly guys I think are better than what we have now.
Ludvig, St. Ivany, and Puljujarvi all strike me as guys you'd rather have as a 13th F or 7th D

Then with trade values:
I'm skeptical that Winnipeg is willing to part with Schmidt and Stanley for so little unless they're in a massive cap crunch this offseason.
Same thing as the Jets trade but the other way around for Marcus Pettersson. He's been a legit top pairing defenseman the past two seasons, and makes both Karlsson and Letang better. Quantity over quality is not the direction to go in for a player like him.

It's certainly different from the usual Pens ACGMs and there are some good ideas here. But will any of these deals fix the team's problems these past two years? Will they set us up for an easier rebuild? I'm not sure they'll do either.</div></div>

all the players i targeted are bounce back candidates or for guys like josh anderson and torey krug it was more just swapping bad or overpaid contracts... i took on more $ for fewer years you'll notice, just in theory i thought that made sense for what PIT is doing...so that way we have alot of cap cleared up sooner.... then some players on 1 year deals to build their value that we can flip at the TDL...

yeah this is different bc this is me recognizing that we're not winning anything and i'm just trying to figure out what is plausible... bad or large contracts we have won't be moved for a 7th, we'll have to take $ back... then i want to leave spots open for younger players to play so thats why some questionable players are in the lineup... this team isnt' really trying to win, bc i don't think it's likely at this point... this is just us not tanking bc a full tank/rebuild is not possible...

pettersson is next year's guentzel... we don't want to move him, but keeping him doesnt' help us at all... we're not winning so i'd rather have younger players play and get experience... and unless we get a high end offer and assuming it's more a guentzel haul with mid prospects and 2nd round picks......

hopefully that all makes sense lol
Forum: Armchair-GM12 févr. à 14 h 35
Sujet: do the oilers say yes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mr_Gardoki</b></div><div>Oh yeah? How about him sneaking Campbell in there? You think it's EDM that says no? That's rich.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mr_Gardoki</b></div><div>This board is going downhill fast</div></div>
So true dude

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NucksnOilers</b></div><div>I'm not saying the Pens say yes either, they can get a much stronger return elsewhere. Campbell costs one first to dump, his buyout never surpasses 2.75 million and it stays under 1.75 million for 3 of the 5 years. That doesn't cost two firsts.

So then it would be Mcleod + broberg + 25'1st + 25'3rd for JG and AN. I don't want JG for his price, he's a super valuable asset it's just that Edmonton doesn't need another top 6 piece. He would only be a rental as well. Mcleod is also essentially an untouchable for this team so yeah</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Timmah007</b></div><div>Who cares if Campbell is included. Only thing coming back of note is a top six forward for a few months. That doesn’t justify multiple firsts and two quality young players.</div></div>


My thought was guentzel was worth broberg+1st+3rd
Clearing Campbell’s contract=1st
Ned=mccleod
Tbh tho I don’t see Pit bringing in another big goalie contract… unless we’re completely rebuilding and saying Blomqvist is the next guy and in that case we’d move Jarry out too…
So while I think the package is close to fair in value objectively, the fit isn’t the best overall…
Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. à 16 h 32
Sujet: Losing eight out of eleven leads us to this
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mv21227</b></div><div>You aren’t getting Lekkerimaki</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Reason</b></div><div>I don't believe Lekkerimäki is completely off the table, but if he is traded it will be for a younger player with term or RFA status, not UFA.</div></div>

If VAN (or any team honestly) acquires Guentzel, they’ll probably try to resign him

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Byrr</b></div><div>Deadline rentals don't get the kind of return you have here for Guentzel, even the best players available.</div></div>

Go back and check last deadlines…as I’ve done… there are several lesser quality players that got most of that… plus Guentzel is the only major winger available
Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. à 14 h 57
Sujet: Too many giveaways
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensgm</b></div><div>I dont love retaining that much on EK or adding a 2. Sure they are different players and we need pesce more but factoring that retention and if he gets extened at 7mil plus its sort of like we are paying him 11 mil</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SomeonesOffended</b></div><div>Leafs pass Reilly is your problem next year lol</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac555</b></div><div>Is EK really the issue with the Pens? Hope you have an idea of more defenseman coming in with the cap space, because wow that defense is bad.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawksguy81</b></div><div>Can't imagine the Hawks would have any interest in 5 more seasons of Graves. Or that the Hawks aren't on his no trade list.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>nutrition1223</b></div><div>I find it fun that Ek is still putting up good numbers and has some value, yet everyone is selling him like he isn't good. It's the Penguins team, age, and system which is failing the players.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Snowhawk18</b></div><div>Every team not named Pittsburgh declines.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>We have Burns and DeAngelo already. Why would we want a 3rd OFD? You keep Karlsson.</div></div>

<em>It appears everything has already been said.</em>
I agree with everything and this all nonsense in this post makes less than zero sense...
Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. à 14 h 54
Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. à 14 h 48
Sujet: Going for it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SomeonesOffended</b></div><div>Love all the trades makes this team a cup favourite instantly</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dereliicte</b></div><div>Really nice work here. The deals make sense for Van and I think your valuations are all reasonable. I suspect PIT fans will want more for Jake.. but this is not far off IMHO.</div></div>

personally, i don't think PIT would be interested in Mikheyev only bc of the contract... i think dubas was the one that brought him to TOR, but the contract doesn't make sense for PIT bc if we're moving Guentzel we are doing a major retool minimum. as far as (Brzustewicz, Hunter [Reserve List])... i would need to know more but the other pieces are a starting point for a JG package...
Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. à 14 h 44
Sujet: 2 Key Trades I Would Make
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensgm</b></div><div>I would accept, I think the trade would be closer to what you have above than people think</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Vancity2196</b></div><div>If I was Dubas, I would accept the draft picks and Podkolzin, but not Kuzmenko.
Kuzmenko's value is low and his playing for another team is pointless.</div></div>

Definitely close on trade value but i'd prefer all prospects/picks/under-24 players on the cusp instead of Kuzmenko and i don't see VAN wanting to move Kuzmenko. i'd rather retain 50% on Jake and with double retention Jake would be at $1.5M.
that being said, if i'm dubas and pittsburgh, then i would take Kuz and let him play with Sid/Geno and PP1 then flip him in the offseason or next year at the TDL... so i'm ok with either... i just don't see keeping jake at this point... the pens have lost like 7 of 10 and barring extreme improvements in several areas i don't see this team making the playoffs unfortunately...