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Forum: Armchair-GM12 oct. 2023 à 12 h 0

Sujet: Who is better

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>turtlemountain</b></div><div>You missed the point.

As Fail4Nail said at the very beginning of this whole thing: Makar and Manson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bouch and Ceci

I responded a few times to your argument that the RD depth for the Avs is worse, but I can summarize for you.

Makar >>>>>>>>> Bouchard
Manson =/= Ceci

Then you keep coming back to depth defenseman and referencing Vincent Desharnais and a bunch of AHL guys. Calling your 8th and 9th defensemen an upgrade over guys like Sam Malinski et al is a weak argument, especially considering the magnitude of the gap at the top of the depth.

We could keep going on this, but I’m worried that responding another time might awaken you like a sexism sleeper cell again.</div></div>

Quit with the sexism lol. Was making a joke. You're still cherry pickin.

Agreed. Makar better, but not more better compared to Bouchard than Draisaitl is compared to McLeod IMO

Disagree. Ceci better, Mansons hurt to much

= so far

and the most important part and what depth means is Desharnais and possibly Kemp are better than any player the Avs have to put on the right side on the 3rd pair without making their other pairings worse

Also Wanner and Akey are better than Malinski and Clurman IMO. Because depth, and depth, and because the argument was about depth.

The * is you gotta give Toews some credit for Makars success and yes Bouchard got to play with Ekholm, but he played more with rookie Philip Broberg last season

Forum: Armchair-GM12 oct. 2023 à 11 h 7

Sujet: Who is better

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>turtlemountain</b></div><div>I’m here responding to a discussion on hockey and you jump into sexism? Garbage post.</div></div>

I've gotten you and the original person I was having a discussion with confused in all this lol. But the facts remain. I was comparing all of the Oilers RD to the Avalanches, not just Makar and Bouchard

Forum: Armchair-GM12 oct. 2023 à 10 h 27

Sujet: Who is better

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>turtlemountain</b></div><div>I think the Oilers would improve more tbh. We all saw how they unlocked a different level once they acquired Ekholm. You would still have McDavid at 1C and RNH, a guy who just put up 100 pts at 2C. Than a top pairing of Ekholm-Makar? Disgusting.

Thinking about the power play gets me excited for the next international competition. McDavid and Makar on the same unit would be incredible.</div></div>

Nuge plays LW mostly now, so hard to say.

Team Canada would be unreal right now agreed. Probably the rest of the world keeping NHLers out of international competition lol

Forum: Armchair-GM12 oct. 2023 à 10 h 11

Sujet: Who is better

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>turtlemountain</b></div><div>I wasn’t accusing you of anything, I just figured that the argument you were making was so absurd that you were just messing around.

We can all contort advanced stats any way we want to fit a narrative but it you manage to contort it in a way where you are comparing Cale Makar to Evan Bouchard, you aren’t acting in good faith lmao.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OilednGreasy</b></div><div>All I did was put a link to their on ice numbers last season at 5v5 per 60 minutes of ice. The best way to compare players eliminating special teams , and TOI or games played differences. No contortion. If I were including special teams then Bouchards on ice numbers are even better.
But my original point and why I compared ALL the RD was that the Oilers are deeper at the position, so an Elite centre is probably more important to the team then another RD even if it is Makar, whom they can't afford.
Depth is not expressed in comparing one player to another or 2 to 2. You said Makar/Manson are better than Bouchard/Ceci contorting the argument away from depth, because again the Oilers also have Desharnais, Kemp, Wanner, and Akey. Who do the Avs have after Makar and Manson?
Yes Makar is better than Bouchard. The numbers I referenced show that still, but that isn't the argument and wasn't mine.

Please, if you want to argue at least take into account the <strong>premise</strong>, and <strong>everything</strong> the other person has said</div></div>

But here you want mess around

<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=all&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=y&p1=8480803&p2=8480069&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Makar vs Bouchard All Strengths</a> notice Makar starts and gets more faceoffs in the offensive zone, so is sheltered more.
Get rid of per 60, they were close in TOI https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=all&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&p1=8480803&p2=8480069&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single
Total offence 5v5 <a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=n&p1=8480803&p2=8480069&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Makar vs Bouchard 5v5 offence</a> but Bouchard played more 5v5
So, per 60 <a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=y&p1=8480803&p2=8480069&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Makar vs Bouchard/60 5v5 offence</a>
PP Totals
<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=pp&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&p1=8480803&p2=8480069&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Makar vs Bouchard PP on ice</a> <a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=pp&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=n&p1=8480803&p2=8480069&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Makar vs Bouchard PP offence</a> notice Makar has more TOI in less games, sheltered again. But Makar did have more PK too
So, <a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=pk&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=y&p1=8480803&p2=8480069&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Makar vs Bouchard/60 PK on ice</a> wonder which team had better goaltending.
Who were they most paired with last season; Toews/Makar, and rookie Broberg/Bouchard

What does all this mean? I don't care. Because my argument was Drai can't be compared to Makar, but IMO the Oilers would be worse without Leon and with Makar than vice versa

Forum: Armchair-GM12 oct. 2023 à 8 h 40

Sujet: Who is better

Forum: Armchair-GM11 oct. 2023 à 21 h 11

Sujet: Who is better

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>turtlemountain</b></div><div>I can’t tell if you’re ****posting here.

If your read of advanced stats tells you that Makar and Bouchard are comparable players, you may need to take a step back and think about the context of those advanced stats and what they actually mean. It shouldn’t be a hot take that Makar is the best defenseman in the world (maybe #2 if you love Fox). Bouchard isn’t even the best defenseman in Edmonton.</div></div>

Please explain what advanced stats actually mean and the context they're in?

You just ignore all the other information too, and what depth means. But accuse me of **** posting lol

Forum: Armchair-GM11 oct. 2023 à 17 h 55

Sujet: Who is better

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fail4Nail</b></div><div>Oilers are deeper at RD compared to Colorado??!
Makar and Manson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bouch and Ceci</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OilednGreasy</b></div><div>Yes

<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=y&p1=8480069&p2=8480803&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Makar vs Bouchard</a>

Avs have Makar, Manson, Malinski, and Clurman with Ishimnikov and Romaine probably never being signed

Oilers have Bouchard, Ceci, Desharnais, Kemp, Wanner, and Akey

Controlled zone exits go way down for all but the most elite defenseman playing their offside. Lefties play LD and righties RD IMO</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OilednGreasy</b></div><div><a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=y&p1=8476879&p2=8476312&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Manson vs Ceci</a>. Went 2 seasons since Manson only had 27 games last season.</div></div>

Oh, and <a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=y&p1=8471677&p2=8479576&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Johnson vs Desharnais</a>

Forum: Armchair-GM11 oct. 2023 à 17 h 49

Sujet: Who is better

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fail4Nail</b></div><div>Oilers are deeper at RD compared to Colorado??!
Makar and Manson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bouch and Ceci</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OilednGreasy</b></div><div>Yes

<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=y&p1=8480069&p2=8480803&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Makar vs Bouchard</a>

Avs have Makar, Manson, Malinski, and Clurman with Ishimnikov and Romaine probably never being signed

Oilers have Bouchard, Ceci, Desharnais, Kemp, Wanner, and Akey

Controlled zone exits go way down for all but the most elite defenseman playing their offside. Lefties play LD and righties RD IMO</div></div>

<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=y&p1=8476879&p2=8476312&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Manson vs Ceci</a>. Went 2 seasons since Manson only had 27 games last season.

Forum: Armchair-GM11 oct. 2023 à 17 h 35

Sujet: Who is better

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fail4Nail</b></div><div>Oilers are deeper at RD compared to Colorado??!
Makar and Manson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bouch and Ceci</div></div>

Yes

<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=y&p1=8480069&p2=8480803&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Makar vs Bouchard</a>

Avs have Makar, Manson, Malinski, and Clurman with Ishimnikov and Romaine probably never being signed

Oilers have Bouchard, Ceci, Desharnais, Kemp, Wanner, and Akey

Controlled zone exits go way down for all but the most elite defenseman playing their offside. Lefties play LD and righties RD IMO

Forum: Armchair-GM11 oct. 2023 à 15 h 13

Sujet: Who is better

Not comparable IMO. Personally don't even like comparing RD to LD, and it would depend on a each teams positional depth.

The Oilers are deeper at RD than at centre though, so I believe that Edmonton would say no before Colorado.

Forum: Armchair-GM10 oct. 2023 à 17 h 30

Sujet: garland

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>The_Rocket</b></div><div>cool now compare literally any other season between the two</div></div>

K cool, but only if we also compare linemates ;)

Forum: Armchair-GM10 oct. 2023 à 15 h 5

Sujet: garland

<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=y&p1=8478856&p2=8477998&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Garland vs Foegele</a>

Forum: Armchair-GM10 oct. 2023 à 15 h 4

Sujet: garland

What in gods name is this. You trolling the Oilers bud?

Forum: Armchair-GM10 oct. 2023 à 14 h 56

Sujet: mbmb

Foegele's better than McBain or Duclair

Forum: Armchair-GM10 oct. 2023 à 14 h 48

Sujet: trade with edm

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMDannyB</b></div><div>“Oilers obviously say no” well clearly one of ur own fans doesn’t think so 😂</div></div>

Probably means that person thinks the in real life Oilers wouldn't make that trade. Don't you think?

Forum: Armchair-GM10 oct. 2023 à 13 h 58

Sujet: trade with edm

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMDannyB</b></div><div>This is literally an oilers fan that made this team lol</div></div>

So?

Forum: Armchair-GM7 oct. 2023 à 10 h 26

Sujet: EOAC

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeterChiarelli</b></div><div>I'm going to segment this reply into two posts:

Pick any time from about 2018 onwards when Edmonton had established Connor and Leon as their #1 and #2 centers. Strome was a much better anchor at #3C than RNH has ever been. He's found a new step to his game as a LW. It's best to keep him there.

This is false depending on how you define "best performing". Stats will be presented as for/against where applicable, all at 5v5.

RNH with McDavid and Hyman:
79GP/208:37 TOI
Shots: 138/114 (54.76%)
Goals: 16/10 (61.54%)
Scoring chances: 152/82 (64.96%)
Shooting percentage: 11.59%
PDO: 1.028

RNH with Draisaitl and Yamamoto:
56GP/79:40 TOI
Shots: 43/41 (51.19%)
Goals: 5/2 (71.43)
Scoring chances: 36/36 (50%)
Shooting percentage: 11.63%
PDO: 1.067

The RNH/McDavid/Hyman line is a game-breaking line that controls possession, zone time, and the scoresheet. This line also does so without relying on a boatload of luck and has a sample size large enough to suggest that they're the real deal. Why would you want to separate this trio based on their body of work? Even if you expand the scope into the 2021-22 season, their numbers remain virtually unchanged. This is the line that leads Edmonton to Stanley.

The DYNamite line showed really, really well in 2020 and had been poor to okay since. Full credit, the line outscored the opposition well but I have a feeling those numbers are inflated by the complimentary .950 goaltending that featured during their icetime. If that line sees similar goaltending as to what the above trio got, the GF/GA ratio dips to 5/3 (62.50%), more in-line with the actual goal-scoring numbers as the above line, but without the actual on-ice domination.

It's a bit ticky-tacky depending on what you define as "best producing" but I think the obvious part in all of this is that RNH isn't stirring the drink on either of these lines. Connor and Leon move mountains by force of sheer will alone, and I think your bringing the Janmark/RNH/Kostin line into focus helps demonstrate that point. They ran as hot as a ten-cent pistol over a very small window of time before the cracks started to show much more prominently (I recall more GA than GF towards the end of their run).

RNH without either McDavid or Draisaitl (2022-23):
82GP/498:18TOI
Shots: 235/244 (49.06%)
Goals: 24/21 (53.33%)
Scoring chances: 195/220 (46.99%)
Shooting percentage: 10.21%
PDO: 1.016

These are breakeven numbers from last year, which on their own are fine, but with the above context show a misuse of a player. Why tread water when you can drown the other guy and thrive?

RNH without either McDavid or Draisaitl (2020-23):
197GP/1175:03 TOI
Shots: 540/604 (47.02%)
Goals: 49/48 (50.52%)
Scoring chances: 458/555 (45.21%)
Shooting percentage: 9.07%
PDO: 1.011

The three-year sample is more damning. Either the Oilers have had <em>really</em> bad linemates alongside RNH (true) or he's a much stronger fit as a complimentary player to someone who drives a line. It's an effect that can be seen all the way back to when Hall was still THE Edmonton Oiler.

I think Oiler fans en-masse need to give Ryan McLeod a lot more respect and a lot more rope. His numbers with any of the middle wingers this club has ran over the past two seasons are exceptional. He's the undisputed #3C on this team and I'm not sure what else he needs to do to prove that.</div></div>

When Nuge isn't playing with McDavid or Draisaitl what does that usually now mean? Draisaitl's playing with McDavid on the 1st line or one of them isn't playing. What line would RNH then be on? The 2nd line.
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins not playing with McDavid, Draisaitl, Hall, and Eberle has never meant during his entire NHL career that he's playing on the 3rd line against opposing teams bottom 6 for a significant amount of time.

The last 2 seasons RNH's % of TOI against teams bottom 6 has been increasing though, and his individual stats while doing so are very good.

Could go:
3rd line of Holloway-Nuge-Lavoie, all 3 can take faceoffs, they learn good defensive play from RNH, and have potential to take minutes from McDrai lines. Positive I think
4th line of Janmark-McLeod-Ryan, again all 3 can take faceoffs, all of'm are good defensively, and also more TOI.
But any combination of this bottom 6 is similar if a complete line change can't be made, and wouldn't be bad when matched up against a top 6 line when the Oilers are without last change.
This adds the potential of pumping up Foegeles numbers in the top 6 to maximize his trade value at the deadline too. I doubt the Oilers will extend him and an Ekholm like RD at the deadline would be nice

I believe the Oilers bottom 6 like this would go a long way in ending the lack of depth narrative around the team, and decrease GA

Forum: Armchair-GM2 oct. 2023 à 14 h 19

Sujet: EOAC

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeterChiarelli</b></div><div>I'm going to segment this reply into two posts:

Pick any time from about 2018 onwards when Edmonton had established Connor and Leon as their #1 and #2 centers. Strome was a much better anchor at #3C than RNH has ever been. He's found a new step to his game as a LW. It's best to keep him there.

This is false depending on how you define "best performing". Stats will be presented as for/against where applicable, all at 5v5.

RNH with McDavid and Hyman:
79GP/208:37 TOI
Shots: 138/114 (54.76%)
Goals: 16/10 (61.54%)
Scoring chances: 152/82 (64.96%)
Shooting percentage: 11.59%
PDO: 1.028

RNH with Draisaitl and Yamamoto:
56GP/79:40 TOI
Shots: 43/41 (51.19%)
Goals: 5/2 (71.43)
Scoring chances: 36/36 (50%)
Shooting percentage: 11.63%
PDO: 1.067

The RNH/McDavid/Hyman line is a game-breaking line that controls possession, zone time, and the scoresheet. This line also does so without relying on a boatload of luck and has a sample size large enough to suggest that they're the real deal. Why would you want to separate this trio based on their body of work? Even if you expand the scope into the 2021-22 season, their numbers remain virtually unchanged. This is the line that leads Edmonton to Stanley.

The DYNamite line showed really, really well in 2020 and had been poor to okay since. Full credit, the line outscored the opposition well but I have a feeling those numbers are inflated by the complimentary .950 goaltending that featured during their icetime. If that line sees similar goaltending as to what the above trio got, the GF/GA ratio dips to 5/3 (62.50%), more in-line with the actual goal-scoring numbers as the above line, but without the actual on-ice domination.

It's a bit ticky-tacky depending on what you define as "best producing" but I think the obvious part in all of this is that RNH isn't stirring the drink on either of these lines. Connor and Leon move mountains by force of sheer will alone, and I think your bringing the Janmark/RNH/Kostin line into focus helps demonstrate that point. They ran as hot as a ten-cent pistol over a very small window of time before the cracks started to show much more prominently (I recall more GA than GF towards the end of their run).

RNH without either McDavid or Draisaitl (2022-23):
82GP/498:18TOI
Shots: 235/244 (49.06%)
Goals: 24/21 (53.33%)
Scoring chances: 195/220 (46.99%)
Shooting percentage: 10.21%
PDO: 1.016

These are breakeven numbers from last year, which on their own are fine, but with the above context show a misuse of a player. Why tread water when you can drown the other guy and thrive?

RNH without either McDavid or Draisaitl (2020-23):
197GP/1175:03 TOI
Shots: 540/604 (47.02%)
Goals: 49/48 (50.52%)
Scoring chances: 458/555 (45.21%)
Shooting percentage: 9.07%
PDO: 1.011

The three-year sample is more damning. Either the Oilers have had <em>really</em> bad linemates alongside RNH (true) or he's a much stronger fit as a complimentary player to someone who drives a line. It's an effect that can be seen all the way back to when Hall was still THE Edmonton Oiler.

I think Oiler fans en-masse need to give Ryan McLeod a lot more respect and a lot more rope. His numbers with any of the middle wingers this club has ran over the past two seasons are exceptional. He's the undisputed #3C on this team and I'm not sure what else he needs to do to prove that.</div></div>

Go make your own best 22 man roster under the cap and gimme the link

Forum: Armchair-GM2 oct. 2023 à 14 h 16

Sujet: EOAC

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeterChiarelli</b></div><div>I can make some time for the argument behind burying Janmark but I have absolutely none for your thought process behind Ceci.

The entirety of Janmark's deal is buriable and it's not a massive stretch to say that Edmonton has at least one player in the minors that could be better suited for the NHL at a cheaper cap hit (I'm thinking Pederson). Anyone can justify that $225k in cap savings, although it does come at the expense of the locker room. The big guys love Janmark, and I think 33% of a league-minimum player is worth the team's morale.

Burying Ceci in favour of rostering Niemelainen saves the Oilers $362.5k and for the life of me, I cannot figure out why you believe this is an intelligent idea. Cody Ceci is an NHL defenceman. He has played - adequately - as Edmonton's #1RD for multiple seasons now and while I firmly agree that is not the role for him, to suggest he should be left off this roster in favour of Desharnais or Niemelainen is paralyzingly stupid. The gap between either of those men and Ceci is far greater than the meager savings you've wrought. And for what? A 22-man roster? One of the largest criticisms this team has faced since what feels like the dawn of time is that the blueline sucks. Burying Ceci in favour of two men that barely have a justification to NHL icetime is sensationalism at best and does nothing to address the palpable weakness this team has behind its juggernaut forwards.

Edmonton is going to have to risk at least two players to waivers. I think you're drastically over-exaggerating that risk: Niemelainen won't be claimed. Every NHL team has a 7th defender between it's roster an farm team already. One of Lavoie or Pederson is being waived as well and of the two, I really only think there's risk to losing Lavoie because of his upside. Neither player is a substantial piece as of the morning of October 2nd.

You are tripping over loonies to save pennies. Make it make sense.</div></div>

GF% is what I look at. Least amount of contributing variables I think. All that matters to me is what's best for the team with Nuge at whatever position, and I hope they explore it. Salary and individual production be damned.

Does McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, and McLeod down the middle have the potential of being like 2 first lines and 2 2nd or 3rd lines? I think so. Why not try with the wingers the Oilers have now?

Could McLeod be a 2c, probably. Is he one on a team playing McDavid and Draisaitl at centre, no. Could a 3rd line with 3 centres potentially be good, and the Oilers be able to role 4 lines more like this instead of depending on McDrai so much, maybe.

Your making a bunch assumptions and arguing with yourself about them.

Again, I was trying the best 22 man roster under the cap. What's so hard to understand about Ceci having a rough season, so potentially not being taken on waivers, and saving enough money if sent down to have 22 players in the NHL over Kulak

In real life.The Oilers will probably be running a 21 man roster. Ceci will be playing in the NHL. Janmark will be in the bottom 6 along with Foegele.
Why you ruining my fun and calling me dumb?

Forum: Armchair-GM2 oct. 2023 à 8 h 43

Sujet: EOAC

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeterChiarelli</b></div><div>I think the RNH-at-#3C experiment can probably end. He cannot drive a line and we haven't seen the ability to do so from Holloway (yet). Nuge has played his best hockey at LW over the past few seasons, and it's really hard to justify breaking up the trio of RNH - McDavid - Hyman. They have game-breaking shot and goal numbers since being put together and genuinely form one of the best lines in hockey.

I definitely understand the idea of reuniting Brown and McDavid, but I see too much of the Draisaitl-Kahun thought process at play here. Those two haven't played together in nearly a decade and Brown is coming off having missed (essentially) an entire season. There's a lot more sense to be had in starting Brown in softer minutes.

Ceci and Janmark will be playing hockey at the NHL level this season. You do yourself a massive intellectual disservice by burying Ceci: he's very much an established NHL player, quit letting headlines dictate your thought process. Recall that most of the high-end part of the Oilers roster expressed a want in Holland to resign Janmark and that Malone isn't actually a full-time NHL player.</div></div>

When was the Nuge at 3c experiment? I was just trying to balance the best opportunity for Holloway and forward lines depth.
Best performing line Nuge was on last season was him with Drai and Yams, 3rd best was him playing centre with Janmark and Kostin

I don't think the best spot for Brown is with McDavid either, but it looks like that's the Oilers plan so far.

Cap hits of Ceci and Janmark informed my decision to try them in the AHL, not headlines. Ceci had his groin injury for half of last season and for some reason they didn't let him heal up before the playoffs, but because of that I think he'd potentially clear waivers. If Broberg's gonna be in the NHL he needs to play.

Janmark was sent down last season because of the cap, opportunity, and injury issues. Not unreasonable to think it could happen again if need be.

Ceci + Janmark = $4,250,000 and Desharnais + Malone = $1,525,000 + $2,100,000 (buried Ceci) = $3,625,000. Just math for a 22 man roster, but Holloway and or Broberg could go down too of course.

I don't appreciate being basically called dumb because of assumption you've made. That is a disservice to intelligents.

I thought any intelligent person would see this was simply an experiment to see what could be necessary for the young guys to play and avoid waivers with a 22 man roster under the cap, no trades

Forum: Armchair-GM30 sept. 2023 à 10 h 39

Sujet: Crazy

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>masterjuddi</b></div><div>Really? How much is a retained Scheifle worth that becomes your 2C? How much is a RSD in Demelo worth for you to slot in your top 4? I think the draft picks and prospects are fair, but then you have the jets taking on two year of Ceci and one year of Foegle. Two players they dont need or probably want</div></div>

<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=y&p1=8476460&p2=8477998&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Scheifele vs Foegele</a>

<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=y&p1=8476331&p2=8476879&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">DeMelo vs Ceci</a>

The assets lost in this scenario to likely not make the Oilers better for the same cap hit are ridiculous

I don't think Scheifele would play 2c

Forum: Armchair-GM28 sept. 2023 à 19 h 31

Sujet: Scheifele Demelo

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>FromNunavut</b></div><div>Add whatever to get it done, it's close</div></div>

Would be a big overpay by the Oilers

Forum: Armchair-GM28 sept. 2023 à 19 h 25

Sujet: Crazy

Gigantic overpay by the Oilers

Forum: Armchair-GM28 sept. 2023 à 19 h 6

Sujet: Scheifele Demelo

<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=y&p1=8476460&p2=8477998&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Scheifele vs Foegele</a>

<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=y&p1=8476331&p2=8476879&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">DeMelo vs Ceci</a>

Oilers wouldn't

Forum: Armchair-GM13 sept. 2023 à 17 h 55

Sujet: Blockbuster with every team part 12

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>That's because you aren't paying attention.

Over the past 3 years no player in the entire league has faced more minutes v Elites than Nurse has. In fact it's not particularly close - he's almost 100 minutes more than the #2 player.

Despite this he has posted a 52.59 GF% and a 52.73 xGF% over that span. He's a workhorse at 5v5 and on the PK.

Yet somehow you're suggesting that trading him for William Nylander would make the team better defensively? I don't think I've heard a more idiotic take all week.</div></div>

I thought Nurse was at 53.91 GF% in 1541.5 TOI against elites over the last 3 seasons

Nylander has a 59.55 GF% vs elites, better than any Oilers top 6 forward, but defensive forwards could never help a team defense though, that's idiotic lol

How about GA/60 for defenseman against elite competition though. D over 1000 TOI the past 3 seasons Nurse is 38th. Pelech, the #2 minute man is 2nd and 61.18% GF. Fellow Oiler Ekholm is 5th and 65.43% GF.

Lets do playoffs too. Over the last 3 seasons playoffs Nurse has played about 724 mins, and of the 20 defenseman over 700 mins he's 18th in TOI, and the worst in CA, FA, SA, GA/60 but the highest paid of them though.

Nurse is a 2nd pairing reg season and 3rd pair playoff defenseman = FACTS

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