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Forum:
Armchair-GM
1 nov. 2022 à 9 h 55
Sujet:
Tweaks
Hawks decline due to the 2nd going to Toronto, no position to be giving up picks rn
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Fauteuil - DG
31 oct. 2022 à 19 h 10
Sujet:
Marner for winners
What am I Iooking at
Forum:
NHL Signings
31 oct. 2022 à 19 h 7
Sujet:
Dallas Stars signed Matt Murray (1 Year / $750,000 AAV)
Matt Murray > Matt Murray
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Fauteuil - DG
31 oct. 2022 à 14 h 36
Sujet:
Reset
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>My point is that it's not just as simple as saying Matthews and Makar are two players of the same tier, one has 2 years and other has 5, so Toronto needs to add a ton.
I agree, that it makes no sense for Colorado to trade Makar for Matthews who is a luxury (or makes MacKinnon a luxury) especially since they have a high chance of losing Matthews just based off their cap structure (or they would have to gut the team to keep him). On the other end, it would be ridiculous for Toronto to offer more than Matthews for Makar (at most they give a small consolation in case Matthews walks).
Let's look at the risk from each side in a couple of trade scenario's
A 1 for 1 trade:
Colorado: As previously mentioned, the trade would be a gamble to get a luxury (that they likely don't enjoy for long) while opening up a hole in the backend (as far as I know, Colorado doesn't have a RD to replace him).
Toronto: They fill a need with the RD that they need, but open a whole in 1C (perhaps they can replace him internally with Nylander). There's also the risk that Makar might not be the top D-man or even a Norris Caliber D-man beyond 6-8 years, even if he's still a top 10 d-man. The benefit though, is the low cap hit in those 3 years is going to be lower than Matthews, and perhaps Matthews walks in FA. So, maybe it would be a gamble worth the gamble on the Leafs side.
Matthews+Liljegren+1st for Makar:
Colorado: They get a potential top 4RHD and a pick as a bonus, the Matthews' issue still remains though, and will remain until the Leafs are giving Makar's value+Matthews for Makar. So, the closer the Leafs offer gets to that, the risk for Colorado starts to decrease until it's a no-brainer.
Toronto: Now they are giving up another roster player, so they will still need another RHD, and even if they got a 1RD now, they lost a 1C. The 2023 1st is just extra salt on the wound. Adding more is just ridiculous for the Leafs.
Conclusion:
A trade involving Matthews and Makar is most likely a losing trade for both sides in the long-term unless there's something to mitigate risk for one side, which probably means the other is getting absolutely fleeced.
If either guy were to get traded, the move would be to trade them for players of lower calibre+high end prospects and picks so that they have a good chance of ending up with at least 2 elite players for their 1. I could see a way for an "even" trade to occur if a bunch of roster players are thrown in but then there's going to be no motivation for one side to even pull off the trade.</div></div>
I gotchu. Yeah, sorry I misunderstood your point, lol
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Fauteuil - DG
31 oct. 2022 à 9 h 32
Sujet:
Reset
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>No. A GM that makes that trade from the Leafs side should get fired, let alone to offer more.
Colorado just doesn't accept that trade maybe, because they are bound to lose Matthews just purely off the cap. Otherwise, that's a trade they easily accept.</div></div>
Why would Colorado give up the best defenseman in the league? Matthews may be marginally better but we already have MacKinnon, a top 5 center. Cap doesn't help but there are plenty of other reasons we decline.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
31 oct. 2022 à 9 h 27
Sujet:
Swap and Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Schood1c</b></div><div>yeah no.</div></div>
Read the description.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
31 oct. 2022 à 9 h 24
Sujet:
burn it to the ground
Avs would take that and run for the hills, lol.
Unfortunately Condor wouldn't waive.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
30 oct. 2022 à 16 h 59
Sujet:
The D still needs help
Hawks probably accept this.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
29 oct. 2022 à 0 h 47
Sujet:
Myers for Zaitsev
You know, the Hawks have Murphy and will take a protected first and a 2nd with Zaitsev or something along those lines.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
27 oct. 2022 à 14 h 30
Sujet:
CBC316
Why would Ottawa pay for a bottom pairing d-man who is being paid $6M?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
27 oct. 2022 à 14 h 21
Sujet:
Colorado Avalanche
Newhook is off the table.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
26 oct. 2022 à 19 h 23
Sujet:
Post Norris Injury
Hawks would probably consider Zaitsev + 1st with protection + 2nd for Murphy. Davidson doesn't seem to like prospects he didn't pick.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
26 oct. 2022 à 18 h 43
Sujet:
Second line center
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Knuckl3s</b></div><div>Minimum Horvat fetches is a 1st and a B+ prospect, but if there is a bidding war, I can see the above package being the minimum it takes to score him as a rental</div></div>
And Kane?
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Armchair-GM
26 oct. 2022 à 17 h 54
Sujet:
Second line center
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Knuckl3s</b></div><div>Kane maybe a better player, but he's also older</div></div>
So what package does he get? He may be older but Horvat likely is going to the open market unless the team he's going to can afford to re-sign him (most contender can't!)?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
26 oct. 2022 à 17 h 25
Sujet:
Second line center
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Knuckl3s</b></div><div>I'm sure he will get back to where he use to be. Canucks won't sell low on him, they know he isn't regressing, just maybe in a bit of a slump</div></div>
I'll believe it when I see it, until then it's a definite no. Also, for context, what package should Patrick Kane get if this is what gets Horvat?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
26 oct. 2022 à 17 h 5
Sujet:
Second line center
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Knuckl3s</b></div><div>Horvat hasn't been underperforming defensively...</div></div>
https://canucksarmy.com/news/bo-horvats-defence-declined-past-three-seasons-getting-better
https://evolving-hockey.com/stats/players/?_inputs_&player=%22Bo%20Horvat%22
He has, and it's a real shame because he was elite defensively at a point. If he had been consistently good defensively (even at the cost of some offense), I would definitely consider paying a premium for him.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
26 oct. 2022 à 17 h 1
Sujet:
Second line center
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Knuckl3s</b></div><div>Top 5 prospect isn't saying much for a contending team that hasn't been afraid of mortgaging the future</div></div>
Olausson is a good prospect with middle 6 potential (although he had a hard time adjusting to North America), so that's a pretty good asset. Foudy has bottom 6 potential. The 1st, although late, is a 1st nonetheless. Horvat is a 2nd line center at best who has been consistently underperforming defensively (something very important to Colorado) for the last few years. He isn't Claude Giroux, he isn't Patrick Kane. He's not getting this return and you know it. Don't delude yourself into thinking that.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
26 oct. 2022 à 14 h 30
Sujet:
Post TDL
You REALLY should try to move Mayfield. He's on a great deal and at half retained, you could probably get a good return.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
26 oct. 2022 à 9 h 42
Sujet:
Second line center
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Knuckl3s</b></div><div>No it's not</div></div>
We're not giving up a 1st and two of our top 5 prospects for a rental. That's horrible asset management and Horvat isn't even that good. This is like a package for Patrick Kane. Saying it's not an overpay (which is biased because you're a Canucks fan) doesn't make you right
Forum:
Armchair-GM
26 oct. 2022 à 0 h 50
Sujet:
Second line center
No thank you, way too much for a rental we won't be able to re-sign.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
26 oct. 2022 à 0 h 49
Sujet:
Overvalued
No chance Colorado does that. Compher isn't going anywhere and we're not giving up a 1st and a 2nd for someone who doesn't fit our playstyle.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 oct. 2022 à 11 h 4
Sujet:
Price for Xhekaj Keeps Going Up
Hold your horses, man. Let's see how he plays up until the deadline, and Girard should not be on the table.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 oct. 2022 à 11 h 2
Sujet:
Making a contender
Massive overpay for Horvat, and his defensive game isn't even that good. From what I've seen of him this season he's been pretty bad.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 oct. 2022 à 10 h 59
Sujet:
I Drink Your Milkshake
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>earl08</b></div><div>How about now?</div></div>
I've seen good things from Wifi's highlights. If his defensive game is good I might do it if he continues to play well the rest of the season.
To be fair, tho, he kinda came out of nowhere.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 oct. 2022 à 9 h 45
Sujet:
Dubois
Dubois is just going to whine and beg to be traded to MTL, he'll probably half-ass some of the games as well. Don't want him.
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