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Forum: Armchair-GMmar. à 16 h 21
Forum: Armchair-GMmar. à 15 h 20
Sujet: if you are going to trade with the Islanders
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kyle_Okposo_Lover</b></div><div>I think

Jake Evans
WPG 2024 1st Round Pick (27th)

For

J.G. Pageau
NYI 2024 1st Round Pick (18th)
NYI 2024 2nd Round Pick (50th)

is a fair deal. One note on Harris is that the Islanders have no need for him. I like him a lot but we have Pelech and Romanov plus Bolduc who is developing quite well. It seems like Mike Reilly will be brought back as a plateau option with Bolduc for a season so adding Harris with the current roster doesn't make too much sense, although I'm sure a bunch of teams out there would be interested in him

I like the deal you proposed though, and truthfully could see it happen if Lamoriello realises we need to shed money</div></div>

I'm on board with this trade. It gives MTL more quality (18th overall vs 27th overall), and I don't think they really need the cap space for anything else over the next 2 years. Probably would depend on if they like someone on the board at that pick.

Understand regarding Harris, I overlooked Bolduc.
Forum: Armchair-GMmar. à 14 h 51
Sujet: if you are going to trade with the Islanders
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kyle_Okposo_Lover</b></div><div>Id make a move for sure.

Evans and Pageau are both in it, with no retention on Pageau. From there, id be willing to go a few ways. The first, and ideal option is to trade back. Do something like

18 OVR (NYI's 2024 1st), NYI 2025 3rd Round Pick and Pageau FOR Evans + 26OVR (WPG's 2024 1st to MTL)

or

Pageau + Wahlstrom + NYI 2025 3rd Round Pick for Evans + MTL 2025 7th Round Pick

or

Pageau + William Dufour for Evans + MTL 2027 5th Round Pick</div></div>

So now that I've discovered this draft pick value calculator which includes a salary dump calculation as well I'm going to lean into that:

A fair deal would be Evans for Pageau and 27th overall. But the Islander's don't own 27th overall they have 18 and 50.

So I would propose MTL trades up to 18th overall... and the calculated cost to do so would be to trade 39th overall back. But MTL doesn't have that, they have 27th overall and 57th. The cost to trade up to 39th from 57th is to add 59th... so here is my proposal.

Jake Evans
Jordan Harris (Substitute for 59th overall)
2024 2nd Round Pick (Colorado - Proj. 57th)

For

J.G. Pageau
2024 1st Round Pick (18th Overall)

Edit... I screwed something up looking at the WPG pick scenario. Hang on.

Ok so option 2 is:

Jake Evans
WPG 2024 1st Round Pick (27th)

For

J.G. Pageau
NYI 2024 1st Round Pick (18th)
NYI 2024 2nd Round Pick (50th)
Forum: Armchair-GMmar. à 14 h 4
Sujet: if you are going to trade with the Islanders
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Icelander24</b></div><div>I’d be fine with a trade like that but what would the trade compensation be?</div></div>

Honestly I'm not sure, Pageau and Evans are essentially equal players more or less so it's basically like a pure cap dump of $3.3M × 2 years (technically $3.3M plus $5M since Evans only has one year left).

So are there any comparables of cap dumps in that range? I'd have to assume you'd be looking to get at least a 2nd round pick and go from there.

Edit: Here's a reference that analyzes draft pick value and then compared that to the history of cap dumps and salary retention trades to develop a chart for valuing cap space vs draft picks.

https://puckpedia.com/PerriCapRelief

For $5M in cap space, the compensation is 32nd overall. So for $3.3M × 2 years ($6.6M), you're looking at a 1st round pick. Now Pageau probably isn't a pure cap dump (he is viewed as such in this scenario since Evans is a direct replacement) but if the goal is to just purely dump Pageau with no replacement then it might cost less. I was interested in throwing in Jordan Harris sweetener who would probably be your 6th D next year because MTL needs to clear a spot on defense anyways... but basically MTL would need a late 1st or early 2nd to justify this trade.

Edit 2.0: If I read closer I'd see there is a calculator here... https://puckpedia.com/CapRelief

$3.3M × 2 years is an expected value of 27th overall.