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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 12 heures
Sujet: Rossi Traded
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MNCountryClub</b></div><div>Gauthier is not a good parallel at all. He was not under contract with PHI and outright said he would not sign. Rossi, however, has a contractual obligation with the Minnesota Wild and does not have an ounce of say in the matter. There is an iron clad legal difference between the two situations. That has exponentially more to do with trade price than whether or not a GM "made the player available."

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree here, and we can revisit the value if he does get dealt this summer.</div></div>

The point would be that both GM's were selling from a point of weakness. Gauthier because he was not going to sign with Philly and Rossi with the fact that it seems he's not a Guerin guy and he keep him despite him playing well. The actual exact details are not the same as i said, obviously. Similar only that one sense.

For sure we'll find out if he's gung ho on moving him. Hope he moves past the size thing and keeps him. He's finally turning into the player he was drafted to be.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 18 heures
Sujet: Rossi Traded
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MNCountryClub</b></div><div>Your theory about that tanking his value is incorrect, as has been observed extensively in any equity market such as stocks or housing. That would be true if all GMs were in cooperation against Guerin, but they're not. They're in competition with each other, as well. The price only needs to reach the point where the highest bidder feels like they're getting good value.

But you are correct in that Guerin is essentially telling the market what he does/doesn't value. Not a great strategy by textbook standards, but honestly, in today's NHL these GMs are all pals and really don't gouge each other the way you'd think. For the most part, they try and make fair deals. There's enough precedent around young players getting traded, that it's gonna be pretty formulaic. Team A gets Player X and Team B gets Player Y + Draft Pick Z.</div></div>

Hmm I still disagree with that first sentiment. NHL trading is different than stocks and the housing market but yes I do agree with the old boys club mentality of the GM's. I didn't mean to imply that teams were now going to bend Guerin over backwards as a result. More so that, in a vacuum, a player like Rossi after the season he had would reach a level of perceived value that would force other teams to start a higher starting point for negotiations. Making him available (With realistic expectations and not just "listening"), automatically changes the dynamic of that negotiation.

Again I didn't mean that now Minny would need to accept the first crap offer thrown at them and I agree 100% with the Team A gets Player X and Team B gets Player Y + Draft Pick Z assertion. The real question I was hinting to is what would be the difference between the hypothetical scenario mentioned above vs if Rossi was not being actively shopped. IMHO I think there would be a decent amount of value lost as a result.

A similar but not exact example of this was Philly with Gauthier. What would Philly have got in return if Gauthier never wanted out and they were just listening to teams offers? Different circumstance than with Rossi obviously but a parallel can be made.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 21 heures
Sujet: Rossi Traded
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MNCountryClub</b></div><div>Guerin values and prioritizes size/grit. That's pretty much what it boils down to.

He believes the team needs to have more of an edge/nastiness to it. Not saying you or anyone else needs to agree, but that's the reasoning. It has nothing to do with his value being less than what's perceived.</div></div>

That's what I assumed was the core reason for it but figured any GM making that somewhat known to other Gm's would be an absolute moron for doing so. In the game of business and negotiations, that is devaluing your own asset. No team would give you remotely what Guerin thinks he's worth then. Why would they? Whats the worst that will happen? Guerin will keep the asset that doesn't fit his team identity indefinitely? Risking devaluing him in the process? Hence why trying to sell him while his stock is at its highest.

This is just a theory based on the idea that he's actively being shopped of course. If Guerin is fine just keeping him until someone pays up, then there really isn't any smoke to this. Just a random rumor based on a team willing to listen and not reject instantaneously like others would normally do.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 21 heures
Sujet: Trading 5th OVR
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MTLaveragefan</b></div><div>Fair enough. If we look at the 2023 draft picks after Reinbacher - a lot of people would also be happy with Benson, Michkov, Ryan Leonard.

After Slaf's and Hutson's pick - I'm starting to trust Bobrov and his picks. <strong>I just hate that we are once again outside the concensus/creme of the crop top 4..</strong>.</div></div>

Agree with that sentiment 100%. This is the price for not going scorched earth type of rebuild unfortunately. Last year for sure was major drop off. This year however Im less worried. I know everyone is creaming their pants for Lindstrom but the truth is anyone from 3-10 is interchangeable. They all have equal potential, just different playing styles and abilities. All I ask from this mgmt is to take the BPA in their mind and not reach for a position just for need. If its a dman, take the dman.

Like I reiterated, the dman available at 5OV this year may make all other dmen in the entire organization available. Including Hutson for example.
Forum: Armchair-GMmar. à 10 h 26
Sujet: Questions for my fellow Habs fans
"I don't understand a lot of the Habs fans on this site." - Welcome to the club. :tearsofjoy


Free agency: The Habs cannot simply pick and choose who and when. Montreal as of right now may be one of the least desirable spots in the NHL. They'll make competitive offers to everyone that they want in hopes of convincing one of them. It may take years to snag the big free agent fish we'd want. They need to build the team first and then add the UFA IMO. Based on that, they still have one more year of developing players. One of the best players the Habs may have in the future isn't even drafted yet. (5 Ov)

Matheson: Fans are jumping the gun obviously. They see Hutson and assume they can already let Matheson go. They're just a little trigger happy. Matheson isn't going anywhere for the duration of his contract. He's clear and cut the best dman we have. Odds are he won't be resigned though based on the current LHD depth the Habs got. which is fine. Until Hutson is a 22+ min dman scoring 40+ points a year, Matheson ain't going anywhere.

Rebuilds: CF rebuilds and real life rebuilds are not the same. In CF, the goal to many is to continually trade any and all assets for more picks and prospects in an never ending cycle of trying to upgrade all while being as conservative as possible to avoid looking "stupid". The CF way leads to in real life teams like Buffalo, etc. The only rebuilds like that, that truly work, are the ones that landed a generational star or 2 in the span of a couple drafts. The goal is to win the cup, not have the most 1st round draft picks on the team.

Cap culture: I think Habs management are more than willing to give any big UFA like Reinhart the bag but I kind of feel like he isn't the right fit for right now. But obviously wouldn't say no. I think Stamkos would be a more apropos target because they wouldn't have to sign him long term. Essentially using him as a bridge to when they will be ready to add the 80M+ player contract in their prime. He'll be what makes the current players on the team better and that is needed more IMHO. Habs need scoring sure, but they also need a presence in the locker room a la Weber/Price to get these guys into a winning mentality. Look at what guys like Staal, Perry, Weber, Price etc did for the youth in that 2021 run. This year Monahan played a huge role for some of the younger guys and his presence was never replaced. Gallagher is the only one we have left but he is not of that echelon of leadership and gravitas.
Forum: Armchair-GM18 avr. à 13 h 47
Sujet: big changes
Can't imagine the Habs moving Armia to a division rival. He's kind of stuck in a weird place where he's played good enough for teams to notice and want him but the Habs also kind of would rather keep him if the return would end up just being a 3rd or something. Like no one will overpay for him but it would have to be an overpay for the Habs to move him.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SadSensFan14</b></div><div>He's spent time in the AHL while playing for Montreal, so he must not be that good. Way rather find literally anyone else to improve our scoring.</div></div>

Oct-Nov: you are right, he wasn't playing with enthusiasm and was an absolute drag on the team to the point of them sending him down to the AHL as a wake up call. He admitted to consulting with a mental coach to help get his game back to where it needed to be during his AHL stint. While sent down, immediately became the Laval rockets best player. Didn't sulk in the slightest and was a real pro about it. Got called backup and hasn't looked back. He's been engaged and playing some of the best hockey of his career and the stats reflect that.

So context matters. Players can go from cap dumps to valuable assets quite quickly nowadays. As mentioned above, I wouldn't pay the price the Habs would need for them to let him go but he certainly would be an attractive asset for teams who have actually watched him this year. He'd make an excellent 3rd/4th liner on a cup contender. There was a reason the Habs mgmt chose resigning him long term over Lehkonen at the time.
Forum: Armchair-GM18 avr. à 13 h 27
Sujet: NHL GMs should offer sheet
Lundell has to be willing to accept the OS also. This offer is like pretty much what he'll get from the Panthers when you factor taxes into it. So its an easy no for him. (Logically speaking)

Going to SJ to be a bottom dweller for the foreseeable future making slightly more money but more taxes OR stay on a perennial cup contender and make a little less money now maybe but more in the long term.... Can't even say the weather is better as a main factor either.

That's why if you do OS someone, the money has to be sooooo much more than the player deserves for them to realistically accept. Just like UFA's, you have to overpay.

Want Lundell? Offer minimum 6.5-7M. Panthers couldn't match and Its a significant overpay that would make any player think twice about. Problem is you better be confident Lundell is a top end player because everyone thought KK was going to be amazing in Carolina and we all know how that is turning out.