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Forum: Armchair-GM28 mars à 21 h 24
Sujet: PLD Redux
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonh514</b></div><div>I don't disagree with you on UFA, but every time I suggest bringing in players like Monahan, Toffoli, Marchessault, Reinhart, or even trading before the TDL for Hertl, I get tons of pushback from the same crowd complaining that those players will become an albatross before their contract is up.

Essentially the fans around here only value young players, and only if you can trade for them by offering a bunch of Bs and Cs for an A+ and then severely underpay the player.

Like Harris, Armia, and WPG's 1st for Boldy is ever gonna freaking happen?! You need to give something to get something. You always need to manage your risk, but sometimes risks pay off. Dach &amp; Newhook deals were risks. They are working out (ish). I think PLD could work out too. I don't believe that he's a Prima Donna, if I did I would not trade for him.

<strong>I think you are wrong about them being a bottom feeder team next year. They will make moves this offseason and push for the playoffs.</strong></div></div>

Ya I meant to say, assuming they don't do anything major of note, they wont be a playoff team again next year. I agree they won't be a bottom feeder next year. Frankly they wouldn't have been a bottom feeder this year if it weren't for Dach's injury.

Regardless, Im all for going to get solid talent through trade, just not for PLD. But I also think unless they win the lottery, Im all for them staying the course with a slow and steady progression too.
Forum: Armchair-GM28 mars à 12 h 52
Sujet: PLD Redux
Frankly who cares about production, he's been on a number of teams now and left each one with a sour taste in their mouths. I want no part of PLD and its officially buyer beware with him. Not worth the risk. I was totally on board bringing him in this past offseason but seeing how he's been in LAK, Im glad they didn't get him.

Anderson can be bought out if we're at that point with him. Not only are the Habs paying top dollar for PLD here, they're also taking on massive risk. there's no need. They're probably drafting a center this year, getting Dach back next year and are still a lottery team/non playoff team. The right play here is to be patient and if anything add through free agency where the only really costs are overpaying cap, which the Habs have oodles of so its not a huge burden.
Forum: Armchair-GM21 mars à 11 h 20
Sujet: Isles 2024-25
I think there definitely is a framework here with a ton of different players. I can see the Habs being interested in Pageau but just not at the expense of Dvorak only, essentially, on the basis of Dvorak being a pending UFA and Pageau still having an extra year after this. Lets be honest, both teams want these contracts off the books here. So the main goal for either team is getting the cap/roster flexibility more than the on ice product. So for any Dvorak for Pageau deal to work, I think the Habs would prefer to not take back extra skaters like Bolduc and Wahlstrom, probably add a different player than RHP who is a home grown player that I think means more to the Habs than elsewhere, so someone like Harris instead. Finally the Isles would need to add a pick. Maybe like a 2nd. That way Isles get a cheaper and less termed Pageau replacement and a young dman that can be part of their core. the Habs take on more term and cap at center but get a home town guy, a draft pick and reduce the roster size a little.

As for the other parts of the deal, I like Wahlstrom and Bolduc. Could very well be targets for the Habs in some form of other trade but I would say the biggest issue with the Habs right now is not cap space but rather roster size. They have too many waiver eligible players to the point of where they need to be the team giving away more players than they're taking on in any deals.
Forum: Armchair-GM21 mars à 0 h 15
Sujet: Ridiculous Fantasy Trade for Crosby and Letang
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>Not in the grand scheme of the trade it doesn't, the Pens are freeing up almost as much as Anderson's cap hit essentially rendering his cap hit a wash. You yourself said that Anderson traded on his own would need 50% retention to have positive value or we would have to take back cap. Habs are taking back an addition 88% of his cap essentially making his cap a wash, yes the Pens have to pay him for the next 3 years but they are freeing up an addition 4.85 mil to do so.</div></div>

Not gonna go further into this with you man. You can think whatever you want. I disagree so far in the other direction its not even worth discussing at this point. Hence the agree to disagree comment.
Forum: Armchair-GM20 mars à 23 h 3
Sujet: Ridiculous Fantasy Trade for Crosby and Letang
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>Add-on - something that is added to the trade that neither adds to or takes away from the overall package. This trade has equal value, whether Anderson is included or not, we aren't asking for anything in return and essentially the Pens are getting Anderson for positive cap, meaning they aren't paying more than they were to begin with. You all keep looking at this as if the Pens were having to pay assets or additional cap to take Anderson but they aren't the trade would be the same if he wasn't included but the Habs couldn't fit under the cap, therefore he is quite literally an add on to make the trade work from both sides</div></div>

Sweet god, if you think adding 5.5M in Anderson's contract for 3 more years neither adds nor subtracts from the total value, we'll just have to agree to disagree then. Nothing left to be say.
Forum: Armchair-GM20 mars à 21 h 8
Sujet: Ridiculous Fantasy Trade for Crosby and Letang
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>Yes <strong>if</strong> you are trying to get value out of trading Anderson, then you need to retain, if you are trying to just dump his contract then you have to add assets. However when it's included in a package where the other team is gaining significant assets and cap space (around 4 mil) then his cap hit is negligible and nothing needs to be done. Tatar was viewed the same way when we got him from Vegas, do you think RyJo had value at his full cap hit? He was just added to the trade for the same reason Anderson is added to this one and in fact was waived as soon as the trade was completed.</div></div>

Those players, even in their worst seasons of their career to that point were producing more than Anderson is now, had less term/cap and were/are arguably more established and higher valued players than JA is now.

I've defended Anderson a lot on here these past years, a lot of the negativity was unwarranted because his fancy stats weren't pretty but this year is absolutely worst case scenario. He has zero value and adding him to any deal makes any value being received, lessened. If he had like 1 year maybe 2 left, then you could convince someone but as is, not a single chance. Even 2 years is pushing it.

Yes I understand adding a player to simply offset the caps a little but this is not it. Anderson isn't just an add on.
Forum: Armchair-GM20 mars à 20 h 25
Sujet: Ridiculous Fantasy Trade for Crosby and Letang
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>Anderson isn't a cap dump, he has value, not a lot but still positive value. In a trade like this though his cap hit isn't even considered, similar to Tatar when we traded Patches. Mailloux, Beck and Barron are all high quality assets and two unprotected 2025 1sts is great value</div></div>

I can almost guarantee Anderson after the year he just had, has zero value without retention. If you retain like 40-50%, that's a different story as the main issue is his cap hit. Without retention? Nada. That isn't hyperbole, he is right now one of the worst contracts in the league.

Teams were willing to pay for him when he was still a 20 goal pace guy and the Habs could either retain a little or the other team could send back some offsetting cap. Now that his scoring has evaporated and his physicality and fighting is pretty much non existent also, he's absolutely, without a doubt, a cap dump at full cap hit.
Forum: Armchair-GM20 mars à 12 h 35
Sujet: Honest Thoughts
I don't see the point exactly. EDM's issue is not finding a good goalie to replace Campbell. Its cap space. They have their goalie they've hitched too now in Skinner and Pickard is at least doing an admirable job as backup.

EDM's need is cap space and their best option is a Campbell buyout. Not double down on a high risk/reward when they have the position solidified enough to be a contender already.

CLB would make <em>some</em> sense hoping for a hail mary that Campbell comes back to form but even if he didn't, they're at the very least getting some cap relief and can simply buy out Campbell for a cheaper cap penalty also. Small gains here but gains none the less.

I think CLB and EDM are destined to either BO both guys. I know cap penalties seem like poor asset management but sometimes you got to bite the bullet. Sometimes buyouts are justified and the right thing to do. EDM should absolutely buyout Campbell. CLB should only buy out Elvis if they find a better option. If not they're better suited to keep him in the hopes of him finding his game again. They do need someone to play goalie. Might as well be the guy they're paying out the nose to.