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Forum: Armchair-GM15 août 2017 à 16 h 3
Sujet: Nylander+
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ClockReads2113</b></div><div>

Carlson is easily top pairing. Any team would kill to have him. Just a shame he was put with Alzner or Orpik most his career. Watch out for him this year now he'll be away from them.

Bura played impactful minutes? He was in bottom 6 the whole year. He's easily a top 6 talent. Will have a break out season this year now he's in top 6. 25+ goals a real possibility. He had a better points per 60 minutes than guys like Drouin, Couture, Stone, Coyle, Monahan, Toews, Voracek etc.

You know how many 21yo prospects haven't played in the NHL? A f load, especially defensemen. Most don't hit the NHL until 23 or 24. Not saying he will be top 4, he has the skill set but still has to prove it.

I'd agree it wouldn't make sense for TOR to take Grubauer when they have Andersen, but wouldn't surprise me if Grubauer ends up being better.

I agree with you that this trade wouldn't make sense for TOR but I think you are really undervaluing what the Caps are offering.</div></div>


I guess we'll agree to disagree haha.

I've watched Carlson a lot and see why he NEVER plays top 2. He's often a defensive liability. He has strong offensive upside but not as an efficient defender to play top 2.

Also, i don't disagree with you on how 21yo players still have a great chance at developing. In this case i'm challenging one particular player and using empirical evidence (the ability not to play top 2 in minors, NO NHL experience, and AHL struggles) that suggests he will, at most, be a top 6 and does NOT have the skill and has proven that!

Lastly you may be correct in my undervaluing of the Caps. However, i feel there is a basis for it, with inconsistency, low potential, UFA/RFA status and OVERVALUING being the reason.
Forum: Armchair-GM15 août 2017 à 15 h 27
Sujet: Nylander+
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>krakowitz</b></div><div>

Junk? A top pairing defenseman, blossoming top 6 winger, future starting goalie, and a defenseman with top 4 potential is junk?</div></div>

oh my.... 1st of Carlson is not top 2 and never has been an efficient top pairing Dman either.
Additionally, Carlson is age 27. Thus, the prospect of further development is limited and to make things worse is a UFA next season, which is problematic at the least.

Next, Burakovsky has never scored more then 17 goals while playing high impact minutes. To say the least he is very inconsistent and would not be on Toronto's top line! Plus, his contract is up soon! That leaves 2 options: Payday or lose him!

Also. Top 4 potential is a BIG stretch for Siegenthaler. The dude has never even played in the NHL and can't even make the top pairing while playing for the Bears (AHL). If anything he's maybe a top 6, that is if he makes it to the NHL. BYW, he's turning 21 soon and still not played in the NHL. Some prospect!

Lastly, you are offering Grubauer. I'm sorry but he will not be replacing Anderson. End of. Thus, his role is limited. It is also likely that he is potentially starter material for a club in need and will be gone by next season. Cause he too is UFA.

I'm noticing a pattern, this trade has a whole bunch of UFA's

In total. This trade amounts to a whole bunch of SOON to be UFA's! Coupled with inconsistent players with little potential.

In the end the leafs are by no means getting better by this trade. If anything, one could argue they are taking on a bunch of soon to be UFA's, and losing a rising star in Nylander for nothing.

For the caps this is a GREAT trade. But for Toronto, well, not so much.