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Forum: Armchair-GM1 févr. à 19 h 49
Sujet: Monahan
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>so again, I ask you to give me proof that retaining 50% of a similar contract at the deadline has given a guy the boost to get a 1st rounder. I mean, if you're just gonna ignore my actual trades that happened that show retention is worth almost nothing then surly you have something other than "because I said so"
but then, that is your entire argument for why monahan is valuable anyways so it's not surprising. You cant give evidence that he's good defensivly, or a good leader, or a good skater or literally anything other than he scores a lot on a power play for a one way 3rd liner.
But hey, you do always resort to insults like you're in highschool the second you get even a little pushback so you've got that going for you!</div></div>

If you can't admit that someone's cap hit changes someone's value positively or negatively then there is no point in talking to you anymore because you clearly don't get it. There is no point debating other points if you're being that stubborn
Forum: Armchair-GM28 janv. à 0 h 13
Sujet: Monahan
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>and you are missing the point entirly. It is that it isnt worth a value increase for the cap hit because it has never cost anything significant to retain 1 mill for any pending ufa and it is also not worth it from a cash standpoint. So there are zero reasons why retaining a million bucks on Monahan would get you anything worth mentioning. There is literal tons of historical precedent on top of that too, but clearly you never bothered to actually look into something before. The sharks got a 4th for retaining 1.75 (50%) of Foligno, Montreal got a 5th and an empty contract player for retaining 1 mill (50%) on Bonino etc etc etc
congrats on getting that late round pick extra for retention</div></div>

There is a cap dummy! Teams tight against it may only have a mil to spend at the deadline! Monahan's low cap hit is the reason they get a first! If he made 10mil then he isn't worth a first. Most teams are tight against the cap. I don't understand what you're missing here lol
Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. à 22 h 51
Sujet: Monahan
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>yeah, you clearly dont though. Cap is calculated daily, so by the time the deadline happens there is only 20% of the season left, so you dont get 50% of the cap and dollars saved. you get 50% of 20%. Retention is only valuable if it is for long term, for the deadline to the end of the season, especially for less than a million bucks off a full year is a very small number. You would get a 5th rounder for it if you are lucky.
So no, retaining half of monahan's deal does not make him valuable by any margin that matters. And you'd know that if you knew anything about the cap or actual salary retention</div></div>

Ypur cap doesn't change! Monahan with no retention still counts 1.9mil on the cap! It doesn't go down to 20% based off how many games are left! We're not talking real money, its just the cap hit! Why do you think Monahan is so valuable? Because of his cap hit! You can't find a rental player of his calibre for that cheap of price.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. à 19 h 20
Sujet: Monahan
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>I will laugh because it's a terrible trade. You do realize that you can say a player isnt worth a price and someone can pay that price and it can still be stupid right? Unless you think a player is worth whatever price a team pays for them so there has never been a bad trade ever.
I wont admit anything because I have already said many times that GMs make stupid moves, that doesnt mean Monahan should or will get a 1st, because that would be a terrible move for any team to make and I'd still be right.
If I told you Ryan Reaves was gonna get a 1st would you say I was correct and smart? If a GM made such a dumb move would what I say be any more correct or smarter? No, because it would be one of the worst trades of all time.</div></div>

Simple question, not worth, but are the habs getting a first for Monahan? Yes or no in your opinion.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. à 19 h 12
Sujet: Monahan
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>no, mccabe is what an average number 4 defender is, and if you can tell by that number that means he is a top 4 defender.
if monahan was on any other team i wouldnt have to talk about how he wasnt worth a 1st because most fan bases are smart enough to realize that he isnt very good and if he was a leaf i'd think the same thing about him that i do about domi, that he's a one trick pony who i dont want on my team. Which is exactly what I said about Domi before they signed him and, woah, I was right!
but hey, you keep pretending that it is everyone else who is biased and not you</div></div>

What are you going to say when they get a first for him? Will you admit you were wrong or who you find an excuse to why you weren't? Lol. If they only get a 2nd for him I'll come on and admit I was wrong.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. à 19 h 8
Sujet: 23-24 Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>/spends all day generalizing everyone else
"dont generalize me bud!"
You wouldnt know educated debate if it kicked you in the neck, you've stated nothing but your opinion and basically said nothing but "i know better than you because i watch habs games" in response. You have given zero information as to why you think Monahan is good past the fact that you think he is good.
I also love how you end it with you doing exactly what you accuse me of doing. Tell ya what, give me one stat that shows monahan is good, or even passable defensivly. And please use faceoffs again, because that might be the dumbest example of a fake defensive stat that isnt +/-</div></div>

The only thing you've said is "he is bad defensively" and you're talkiing about I've mentioned nothing? Lol. How stupid are you? I can't believe I have to repeat myself but, the reasons he is worth a first are 1- His cap hit will be a little over $900,000 with 50% retained. 2- On pace for 60pts on a team that doesn't score. He would be a point per game player playing on the leafs! 3- Versatile, could move up and down your lineup. Good enough to be a top line winger or could be a higher end third line center. 4- He plays both PP and PK and is good at both 5-One of the best faceoff guys in the league which is highly valuable in the playoffs 6- Everyone loves him in the dressing room. Former Captain and pretty good leader. 7- His defensive metrics in his own zone are decent.

HE IS GETTING AT LEAST A FIRST ROUND PICK AT THE DEADLINE lol
Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. à 18 h 57
Sujet: Monahan
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>It is incredibly funny how you keep saying how reasonable you are when saying such hilariously wrong things. You do realize that if you keep having to say you are reasonable then you arnt actually being reasonable right?
And yeah, Dubas made a bad foligno trade but you dont see columbus fans pretending that their terrible players are worth 1sts like habs fans do dont you? Oh and a top 4 defender retained for 2.5 seasons with a decent 4th liner is worth a lot more than an old pending ufa who is barely a 3rd liner because he cant skate at an NHL level or defend at all.</div></div>

McCabe is a top 4 defender on the leafs lol Their D is the reason they're gone in the first round again. And do you mean realistic? Maybe proof read your replys prior to sending lol. If Monahan was on any other team in the same situation you would probably want him on your team and say he is worth two firsts lol
Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. à 18 h 46