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Getting rid of Russell solves all problems

Créé par: lobbydangles
Équipe: 2019-20 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 1 sept. 2017
Publié: 1 sept. 2017
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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  1. Russell, Kris
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (EDM)
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1 sept. 2017 à 7 h 50
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Montreal would take Russel at that price for sure...
1 sept. 2017 à 12 h 4
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Whether you like Russel or not his still worth something. you won't need to give up a second round pick to trade him
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1 sept. 2017 à 12 h 46
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Whether you like Russel or not his still worth something. you won't need to give up a second round pick to trade him


I agree. He's a good player and worth his contract. The issue I have with his contract is that the term interferes with the Oilers ability to sign young RFA's for the coming four years. I wouldn't even mind the term of the contract (because he's a tradable player, not a cap dump) - it's the iron-clad NMC that bothers me. I can understand why Russell would want that included, but he should have had to give up something in term or AAV in return in order to get that NMC. A great NMC is something that you give out to your best and brightest, not to depth D. Chiarelli obviously doesn't have great negotiation skills.
1 sept. 2017 à 14 h 9
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Once upon a time Russell was a decent Dman, but he's been getting worse every year for half a decade now. He's definitely not worth his contract and Edmonton would be smart to dump him to a team that still thinks he is.
1 sept. 2017 à 14 h 52
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Quoting: alwaysnextyear
Once upon a time Russell was a decent Dman, but he's been getting worse every year for half a decade now. He's definitely not worth his contract and Edmonton would be smart to dump him to a team that still thinks he is.


He's been playing out of his natural position, so of course his boxcars suffer. There's more to defending than boxcars though - something that smarter hockey minds than ours (Chairelli, McLellan) understand.
1 sept. 2017 à 15 h 55
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He's been playing out of his natural position, so of course his boxcars suffer. There's more to defending than boxcars though - something that smarter hockey minds than ours (Chairelli, McLellan) understand.


If you watch Russell a lot, he looks worse than his numbers. He is a burden defensively, deadweight carried by his teammates.

As someone not around the team daily, the NMC made absolutely no sense the moment it was revealed. It's a case of tunnel vision where Chiarelli wanted one thing and didn't pay attention to the whole picture. If I had to guess, Chiarelli was actually sold by his (offense) numbers.
1 sept. 2017 à 16 h 42
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He's been playing out of his natural position, so of course his boxcars suffer. There's more to defending than boxcars though - something that smarter hockey minds than ours (Chairelli, McLellan) understand.


If you watch Russell a lot, he looks worse than his numbers. He is a burden defensively, deadweight carried by his teammates.

As someone not around the team daily, the NMC made absolutely no sense the moment it was revealed. It's a case of tunnel vision where Chiarelli wanted one thing and didn't pay attention to the whole picture. If I had to guess, Chiarelli was actually sold by his (offense) numbers.


You must be smarter than McLellan, because he has Russell out in key defensive situations - late game, one-goal lead, etc. If he's a "burden defensively, deadweight" then how did this coach play him so much and win so much? I think you need to look up his GF% to see why.
1 sept. 2017 à 16 h 44
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Kris Russell cannot suppress shots...and as your job as a defensive defensemen, you kinda need to do that, not be in the 2nd percentile
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1 sept. 2017 à 16 h 53
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Modifié 1 sept. 2017 à 17 h 21
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Kris Russell cannot suppress shots...and as your job as a defensive defensemen, you kinda need to do that, not be in the 2nd percentile


By what measures? He lead the league in blocked shots and blocked shots per game.

More importantly, his 1.60 GA/60 (last I checked, goals win games not shots) was 4th in the league for defensemen that played over 1000 minutes, behind only Weber (1.30), Doughty (1.50) and Orpik (1.50). Russell's GF/60 (2.10) was better than Weber's (2.00) and Doughty's (1.90). For reference, Russell played 35% of the time against the league's elite players, which compares well to Doughty (35%) and Weber (38%), while Orpik (21%) played very sheltered minutes.

I'm not suggesting that Russell is an equal to Doughty and Weber (although his results weren't far off last year), but he isn't the terrible player some people seem to think.
1 sept. 2017 à 17 h 19
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Not signing Russell and Lucic would have solved the problem in the first place.
1 sept. 2017 à 17 h 28
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Not signing Russell and Lucic would have solved the problem in the first place.


Yup, but then the Oiler's would be an easier team to play against. The signings were the right idea, just too much term.

(Also, Chairelli had no way of knowing that Draisaitl would break out like he has, commanding the salary he has.)
1 sept. 2017 à 17 h 34
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Kris Russell gives up the puck and then fails to ever retrieve it. Other than that, fine dman
1 sept. 2017 à 17 h 45
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Kris Russell gives up the puck and then fails to ever retrieve it. Other than that, fine dman


He's not my ideal guy, but his results are indisputable. I'd rather have him on a 1- or 2-year contract so it expires just as Jones / Bear / Paigin / Mantha / other is ready to step into a full-time gig.
1 sept. 2017 à 20 h 45
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Kris Russell cannot suppress shots...and as your job as a defensive defensemen, you kinda need to do that, not be in the 2nd percentile


By what measures? He lead the league in blocked shots and blocked shots per game.

More importantly, his 1.60 GA/60 (last I checked, goals win games not shots) was 4th in the league for defensemen that played over 1000 minutes, behind only Weber (1.30), Doughty (1.50) and Orpik (1.50). Russell's GF/60 (2.10) was better than Weber's (2.00) and Doughty's (1.90). For reference, Russell played 35% of the time against the league's elite players, which compares well to Doughty (35%) and Weber (38%), while Orpik (21%) played very sheltered minutes.

I'm not suggesting that Russell is an equal to Doughty and Weber (although his results weren't far off last year), but he isn't the terrible player some people seem to think.


Blocked shots are not suppressed shots. I will provide video footage of the difference between the two.

HERO Ratings : 5v5 Shot Suppressed per Hour (vs. Average) : 2 (Avg. is 5) ; 5v5 Goals per Hour : 3 ; 5v5 Assists per Hour : 3 ; 5v5 Shots Generated per Hour (vs. Average) : 2 (Avg. is 5)
1 sept. 2017 à 20 h 49
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In fact, lets dissect a play just from this most recent playoffs involving Dan Girardi and shot blocking.


From Game 5 of the second round. Kyle Turris takes the puck at the blueline from #14 Alex Burrows. Girardi is the defender in this scenario as you can see. At the five second mark of the video, Girardi goes down and blocks turris's shot. However, Turris easily picks up the rebound off Girardi, who is now out of the play and stranded. Turris skates right around Girardi and fires a shot five hole on Lundqvist who reacted to the initial shot attempt, but as a result of Girardi's shot block changing the angle of the shot, Lundqvist could not get back into position in time since the play happened very quickly.

Do you now see why shot blocking isn't a reliable way to suppress shots??


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From the 2010 ECF, Matt Carl (#25) has a stick lift that leads to #28 Claude Giroux to send the puck into the middle of the ice. Flyers captain Mike Richards (#18) gets the puck and ends up scoring a goal.

Because of the shot suppression by Matt Carl (21 seconds in), the Flyers scored a goal
2 sept. 2017 à 8 h 56
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Not signing Russell and Lucic would have solved the problem in the first place.


dont mind lucic *yet* but that russell deal will look bad. hes a 5-6 guy making #3 guy money. lucic is a second line winger making 2nd line centre money, not the end of the world imo
2 sept. 2017 à 8 h 58
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In fact, lets dissect a play just from this most recent playoffs involving Dan Girardi and shot blocking.


From Game 5 of the second round. Kyle Turris takes the puck at the blueline from #14 Alex Burrows. Girardi is the defender in this scenario as you can see. At the five second mark of the video, Girardi goes down and blocks turris's shot. However, Turris easily picks up the rebound off Girardi, who is now out of the play and stranded. Turris skates right around Girardi and fires a shot five hole on Lundqvist who reacted to the initial shot attempt, but as a result of Girardi's shot block changing the angle of the shot, Lundqvist could not get back into position in time since the play happened very quickly.

Do you now see why shot blocking isn't a reliable way to suppress shots??


Quoting: phillyjabroni


From the 2010 ECF, Matt Carl (#25) has a stick lift that leads to #28 Claude Giroux to send the puck into the middle of the ice. Flyers captain Mike Richards (#18) gets the puck and ends up scoring a goal.

Because of the shot suppression by Matt Carl (21 seconds in), the Flyers scored a goal


personally im more of a fenwick fan than corsi, so i disagree there. however blocking shots shouldnt be strategy, just a last resort - too risky
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2 sept. 2017 à 9 h 53
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I am arguing that shot suppression is vastly different than shot blocking, since blocking shots is far less valuable than suppressing shots.
5 sept. 2017 à 17 h 8
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I am arguing that shot suppression is vastly different than shot blocking, since blocking shots is far less valuable than suppressing shots.


You are quoting Corsi Against as "shot suppression", which is inherently flawed to begin with.
5 sept. 2017 à 21 h 40
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I am arguing that shot suppression is vastly different than shot blocking, since blocking shots is far less valuable than suppressing shots.


You are quoting Corsi Against as "shot suppression", which is inherently flawed to begin with.


No I am not lol. I am using data derived from HERO charts to use as my shot suppression metric. I never once brought up Corsi, you did.
6 sept. 2017 à 7 h 9
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You are quoting Corsi Against as "shot suppression", which is inherently flawed to begin with.


No I am not lol. I am using data derived from HERO charts to use as my shot suppression metric. I never once brought up Corsi, you did.


HERO is Corsi based, so yes you are lol.
 
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