This only works if the Canes get another goalie, that's the problem. Without that, they can't move Freddie, and not for this in the division. That's likely going to cost a 2nd

Where do we sign up 😁

I’d like to move him out of division if possible but the value’s fine assuming we get another goalie

Sell me on why those wingers are difference makers at 10 mill combined + Marino and holtz.

Not disrespectful just looking for info, not the most familiar with their games

That’s a heavy and hard team to play against, good work

Both are heavier complimentary pieces that can play in top-6.
Neither would be counted on for top-production.
Both can create space for more skilled guys, both can play in interior.
Both can defend. Barbashev can play center.
Barbashev is probably more physical, Marchment has more size.
Both are 40-50 pt guys
Barbashev has four years, Marchment two.
Both have limited no trade (Barbashev 8 team, Marchment 10 team)
Barbashev is a guy Fitzy has shown interest in previously.
Both fit the 'heavier skill' description.

i dont see why toronto wouldnt do that, if they were to be able to re build their bottom 6, id like to see a like of Bastian, Dewar and Reaves

Not that this is egregious in any way, but I don't see the point in a lot of these moves.

Equivalents to Barby and Marchment can be found in FA - lot of interesting middle 6 options this offseason.

Barby just signed one year ago, don't think Vegas are keen to move him just yet.
But If they were, the Devils should get a lot more value back if they're giving up Holtz (be it picks, prospects or one of Hague or McNabb).
Same can be said for the Marchment deal if dealing Marino, as Marino is the more valuable player between the two. There should be a pick or a prospect coming back here along with Marchment (Lundkvist maybe even).

With that said, it would it not be better to:
- Offer a bigger trade for Saros or Ullmark than picking up Andersen?
- Grab one or two UFAs to play in the middle six (Duchene, Marchessault, Foegele, Arvidsson etc)?
- Give Holtz an extended run in the top six for a real chance to finally breakout?

Really like the Domi shout for 3C though. Very talented playmaker.

I am with you on all those…

I am just playing with various scenarios for guys that fit what Fitzy has discussed adding at forward

1. Heavier skill
2. Sill in 23-29 age group
3. Have term
4. Not core, but guys to fill out middle-six
5. Players who can be ‘momentum guys’

So have been using Barbashev, Colton, Marchment, Domi, some others in ACGMs. I don’t think Duchene, Marchessault, Arvidsson fit that criteria (although I like the first two).

As for Holtz value…I would imagine there would be a very wide set of views among GMs on him. And I lean towards keeping him…at least for his final year on ELC.

As for a goalie…I think Fitzy tries “big game hunting” and finds it to be too expensive…and ultimately settles for 10-20 goalie instead of a top-10 G.