What a well-constructed trade.

Let's see who doesn't understand the "placeholder" concept.

I’m all for a Ron Hainsey comeback

Value wise - Fair...

I just don't see the Leafs paying big ticket costs, then extending Saros when they've stated numerous times how committed they are to Woll...

I see a 3 way deal where Marner lands in NSH and Toronto may get Wood+ from a 3rd team

Yeah that works too.

Nate Bastian would be nice.

I feel like NJD or even MTL make sense as the 3rd team as they've got some nice younger D that don't fit in the pipeline

The NSH trades good

For place holders made a little tweak this is what I would go with

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Domi
Knies-JT-Nylander
McMann-Wennberg-Arvidsson
Dewar-Kampf-Kase

Rielly-Tanev
McCabe-Walker
Benoit-Fabbro

Saros
Woll

Brad did talk about Woll but also talked about his health being a big concern. He basically implied we dont know what we have yet

Brad also said "we dont want to have the second best goalie in a series"

Woll played 2 games and got hurt and in regular season played 25 games and when he came back was not good. He also has not passed 30 games since his first year in the AHL many years ago

For a team wanting a cup thats a red flag right there


Dont dodge the opportunity go get the goalie who can make an impact, play 50 games and help us win a cup.

As if Saros can put up good numbers in NSH imagine him in TOR. May be a Vezina winner here.

Brad said: "Joe Woll's our guy"... So I don't see him turning around and signing a high ticket priced goalies for 6 (in total 7) more years

Brad said and I quote

"I have faith in Joe but there's questions on his health. He's gotten injured alot we need to dig in and look at that.

and "we certainly have to try to put ourselves in a position where we don’t have the second-best goaltender in each of these series"

He never said Woll's our guy


Brad cant say is oh you know I have 0 faith in Woll hurting their relation with him or letting the media run wild. He is gonna go look whose out there look at the trade market and go hey if I can get Saros were set for a long time in net.


Cause his dig's gonna find what others have been finding early on, Woll cant stay healthy. This has been an issue since his NCAA days.

As the last thing we want going to 2024-2025 is use Woll/Stolarz and game 10 into season Woll's hurt and we got to go with Stolarz for 25 games in a row lul. This is the same issue Pitt had with Murray but they had Fleury/Jarry at the time who could play 40-50 games and make up for it


Smart thing for Brad to do is go get the guy we know can play 50+ games whose a top 5 goalie in the league and who you can have more faith in to stay healthy and do well in the playoffs

Cause in the end whats wrong with a Saros/Woll goalie duo?

Woll can play 25-30 games and be nice insurance should something happen

You are right, he never said that Woll was their guy... But he did say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhA0t7WcLpg

He said what you stated but also stated that he might find it bad luck, etc. He also said: "I believe Joe as a goaltender, We have to support Joe" (22:30)

"... But I think it's a function of both sides" (22:35)

That tells me 2 things:
1. Woll's injuries this season were partly caused from the defence, to which he will improve
2. There's no goal support, causing him to stress out and get hurt

And I'd run the goaltending thing like this:

Woll - 35 games
Stolarz/DeSmith - 25 games
3rd string Jonesish backup - 15 games
Hildeby - 7 games

And use the potential $ from Saros to Stolarz to upgrade the defence to ensure that BOS scenario doesn't happen (where the defence quit on Woll)

The thing is this though Woll's had injury issues since the NCAA. We cant be just looking how he got hurt this year and excuse it on ABC

This has been an ongoing issue even before joining the main team this isnt something thats suddenly manifested. Defense was good game 5 and 6 vs. BOS and in the end of game 6 what happened he got hurt.


He has not hit over 30 games since 2019-2020 so how can we expect him to hit 35 games lul


The formula for having to have 4 goalies play a tonne is a recipe for failure sorry. We need stability we need a legit guy not a gamblethon as the one thing Leafs have showed is they have not stabilized the position since Freddie Anderson

Go get a guy we know can play 40+ and divide it like this new guy 42-50 games, Woll 25-30 games, #3 max 5 games

He hit 25 chi year in his 1rst full season with the Leafs, no?

I think it's fully reasonable for the Leafs to assume Woll, with the help of the medical staff and goalie partner not needing AHL time for half the year, can get to 35

25 is not enough thats been his average last 4 years after that hurt.

Starters need to be able to play 40+

Swayman, Bobrosky, Vasilesky, etc all have shown that

And the medical staff have known about these issues and yet got him to 25 this year and 2 playoff games. Sometimes its out of their control like Murray

He had 25 games this past year, no?

You don't think he can work with the medical staff and work on his hip flexibility all summer?

In all his time here's the numbers

32 games AHL 2019-2020

15 games AHL 2020-2021

15 games AHL 2021-2022 4 NHL games

21 games AHL 2022-2023 7 NHL games

25 games NHL 2023-2024 1 AHL game

Again not someone we can expect to hit the 35+ game mark unless we get miracle on 34 street the evidence is just to damming for it. Med staff can do their best but the way he plays he may get yah 28-30 games at most before injury strikes as once goalies get injury prone label it becomes concerning and hard to trust em longterm. Just ask Murray. As Kyper puts it ‘A disaster waiting to happen’ and he's Woll aint that young anymore and its way to risky to label him the #1

Cause last thing we need is game 25 of regular season he hurts himself or heck in game 1, 2, 3 or whatever in playoffs


Meanwhile

Saros

40 games
36 games
67 games
64 games
64 games

Vasilesky

52
42
63
60
52


Go solidify the position and go get the guy the players and fans and even Woll's health will thank management especially come playoffs and honestly whats wrong with a Saros/Woll tandem. Woll can play 25 games and be insurance in case something goes wrong with Saros.