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Créé par: Jded

Équipe: 2024-25 Ducks d'Anaheim

Date de création initiale: 1 mai 2024

Publié: 2 mai 2024

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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Ducks fans I know you hate this Skinner addition, but I personally think a Yakemchuk level player would be worth it if BUF would actually be interested and would retain $2M (both big ifs).

Even if ANA kept every contract, this is roughly our team in 3 years when we’d first have cap concerns (excl a large number of 2nd rd+ prospects who could make the leap):
Gauthier (7) - Leo (8) - Demidov (1)
Zegras (7) - McT (8) - Terry (7)
Killorn (6.25) - Strome (5) - Skinner (7)
X (1) - Gaucher (1.5) - Colangelo (1.5)
= 60.25

Minty (5) - Yakemchuk (1)
Zell (5) - Roy (6.5)
Lacombe (2.5) - Luneau (2.5)
= 22.5

Dostal (4)
Gibby (6.4)
=10.4

==93.15

That probably isn’t far off of where the cap would be. Not to mention we’ll be in a position to move some of these less desirable vet contracts with young guys like Sidorov, Myatovic, etc filling in. Shouldn’t cost too much to move the vets since they’ll all be on their last year (Gibby, Strome, Skinner, Killorn), and that’s like $25M right there

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Leason, Brett		2	1 000 000 $
Vaakanainen, Urho		1	1 000 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Roy, Matt		4	6 500 000 $

CRÉÉ		ANS	CAP HIT
Demidov, Ivan		3	950 000 $
Yakemchuk, Carter		3	950 000 $

Transactions

ANA

Skinner, Jeff (2 000 000 $ retained)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (BUF)

Détails additionnels:

No idea how BUF fans would view this. The idea stems from a convo from a BUF ACGM

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/828904?post_id=4864485

BUF

Jones, Max [Droits de RFA]
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (BOS)

Détails additionnels:

ANA fans I know you don’t want Skinner, but see the cap projection. This should be doable

ANA

Not sure the return, not really the focal point of this ACGM

STL

LaCombe, Jackson [Droits de RFA]

Rachats de contrats

Simon Despres: 0 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2024
2025
2026

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	87 700 000 $	72 959 167 $	0 $	8 330 000 $	14 740 833 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Gauthier, Cutter 950 000 $950 000 $ (950 000 $$950K) AG, C RFA - 2	Carlsson, Leo 950 000 $950 000 $ (3 250 000 $$3M) C RFA - 2	Terry, Troy 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ AD UFA - 6
Zegras, Trevor 5 750 000 $5 750 000 $ C, AG RFA - 2	McTavish, Mason 894 167 $894 167 $ (2 500 000 $$2M) C, AG RFA - 1	Skinner, Jeff 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 3
Vatrano, Frank 3 650 000 $3 650 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Strome, Ryan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AD, C UFA - 3	Killorn, Alex 6 250 000 $6 250 000 $ AD, AG NTC UFA - 3
Johnston, Ross 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ AG UFA - 2	Leason, Brett 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AD RFA	Colangelo, Sam 925 000 $925 000 $ (750 000 $$750K) AD RFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Mintyukov, Pavel 918 333 $918 333 $ (800 000 $$800K) DG RFA - 2	Roy, Matt 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ DD UFA	Gibson, John 6 400 000 $6 400 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 3
Zellweger, Olen 844 167 $844 167 $ DG RFA - 2	Gudas, Radko 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Dostal, Lukas 812 500 $812 500 $ G RFA - 1
Fowler, Cam 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Luneau, Tristan 865 000 $865 000 $ (80 000 $$80K) DD RFA - 3
Vaakanainen, Urho 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ DG/DD RFA

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Demidov, Ivan 950 000 $950 000 $	McGinn, Brock 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Yakemchuk, Carter 950 000 $950 000 $

2 mai à 13 h 25

littlejerryseinfeld

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If we are gonna use the 7 million from skinners non retention to go after a bigger fish, then yes. If pegula is just gonna pocket it and play a rookie, then no

So, no.

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2 mai à 13 h 31

Tjm220

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Modifié 2 mai à 14 h 37

Many Sabres fans here think that Skinner is cancer and we have to get rid of him. I’m in the minority it seems, understanding that he doesn’t need to go anywhere. Aside from the fact his full no movement clause means he can just say no to a trade anywhere. It doesn’t do Buffalo any good to burn money and get nothing for it, and late firsts don’t do much for a team with a loaded prospect pool. This just doesn’t work for Buffalo.

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2 mai à 13 h 49

AntiAnalytics

Banni

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It really doesn’t matter what my fellow fans “want”
Sabres mgmt likes Skinner, and it’s EXTREMELY UNLIKELY that he’s moved

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2 mai à 13 h 51

CHAR

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Your compensation for 7M of Skinner over 3 years is way light using PuckPedia's tools. The Ducks should be getting the value of a 9th OA draft pick for that contract and the difference between the Buffalo #11 and the picks from the Ducks is only 24 OA. The BUF pick alone with no picks going back isn't enough if we're talking about a pure cap dump. I guess you are giving Skinner as a player some value to off set, but I still think the Ducks lose a lot of value here.

I slotted the Edmonton pick at 28 since we won't know where exactly that pick is for a few weeks. FWIW.

2 mai à 14 h 40

Jded

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Quoting: CHAR

Hey hey Char! Help me understand why Skinner would cost a 9OA to move at $7M. He has 92 - 99 -191 in 233 games over the past 3 seasons

For context, none of us are upset about Terry’s $7M, and he has 80 - 102 - 182 in 221

2 mai à 14 h 43

Jded

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

If we are gonna use the 7 million from skinners non retention to go after a bigger fish, then yes. If pegula is just gonna pocket it and play a rookie, then no

So, no.

Super reasonable

2 mai à 14 h 44

Jded

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Quoting: Tjm220

I don’t disagree at all. Thanks for sharing

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2 mai à 16 h 36

CHAR

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Modifié 2 mai à 16 h 41

Quoting: Jded

Cause that's what the tool says that much cap relief is worth...

https://puckpedia.com/CapRelief

Like I said, that is putting the contract into a vacuum and ignoring the player completely. Go the other direction.... if you were to trade a pick(s) only for Skinner the player ignoring contract what value would you put on him? I honestly don't know what value I'd give him but I don't think I'd trade a 24th overall draft pick for him. I don't know, maybe he is worth that much.

Where he breaks down a bit for me is if he is a 50-60 point player or an 80 point player? He's scored 50-ish points in a season a lot more often than he has 80. You should be able to get a 50 point player in free agency without giving up any value. Is he really all that much better @7M than Vatrano was last season @3.6M? Would you trade a 24th OA pick for Vatrano? I wouldn't.

2 mai à 17 h 9

AntiAnalytics

Banni

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Quoting: CHAR

Cause that's what the tool says that much cap relief is worth...

https://puckpedia.com/CapRelief

Like I said, that is putting the contract into a vacuum and ignoring the player completely. Go the other direction.... if you were to trade a pick(s) only for Skinner the player ignoring contract what value would you put on him? I honestly don't know what value I'd give him but I don't think I'd trade a 24th overall draft pick for him. I don't know, maybe he is worth that much.

Where he breaks down a bit for me is if he is a 50-60 point player or an 80 point player? He's scored 50-ish points in a season a lot more often than he has 80. You should be able to get a 50 point player in free agency without giving up any value. Is he really all that much better 7M than Vatrano was last season 3.6M? Would you trade a 24th OA pick for Vatrano? I wouldn't.

1- Skinner isn’t just a cap dump though
2- we aren’t trading him anyways, so it’s pointless to argue about

2 mai à 17 h 13

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Jded

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Quoting: CHAR

Cause that's what the tool says that much cap relief is worth...

https://puckpedia.com/CapRelief

Like I said, that is putting the contract into a vacuum and ignoring the player completely. Go the other direction.... if you were to trade a pick(s) only for Skinner the player ignoring contract what value would you put on him? I honestly don't know what value I'd give him but I don't think I'd trade a 24th overall draft pick for him. I don't know, maybe he is worth that much.

Where he breaks down a bit for me is if he is a 50-60 point player or an 80 point player? He's scored 50-ish points in a season a lot more often than he has 80. You should be able to get a 50 point player in free agency without giving up any value. Is he really all that much better 7M than Vatrano was last season 3.6M? Would you trade a 24th OA pick for Vatrano? I wouldn't.

I’m not sure I’m buying the tool’s valuation on this one at all. Like you said, Cap relief isn’t made in a vacuum here, there’s a player that comes along with it who has very material value. We’re not simply retaining $7M. We’re taking on $7M and then getting roughly 30 goals and 30 assists per year. Those are very different things. Would we use Puckpedia to evaluate Terry’s trade value as a $7M cap relief?

I’d argue that Vatrano isn’t a good comp at all either. If he had the year he just had before FA, he’d cost a heck of a lot more than $3.7M to sign. It’s incredibly rare and lucky to find a 35 goal scorer in FA for under $4M, he’s a huge outlier

Frankly, the idea that you could go from 28th to 11th while adding a ~60pt scorer at a position of need on what would be a maybe $1.5M-$2M overpriced contract for 3 years seems outrageously favorable to ANA imo if anything.

2 mai à 17 h 13

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CHAR

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Quoting: AntiAnalytics

1- Skinner isn’t just a cap dump though
2- we aren’t trading him anyways, so it’s pointless to argue about

No argument on my side, I think it's an interesting discussion on value. You are a Buffalo fan... in a hypothetical for picks only trade what would you expect to get back for Skinner?

2 mai à 17 h 31

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CHAR

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Quoting: Jded

Would we use Puckpedia to evaluate Terry’s trade value as a $7M cap relief?

I'd have to know why we were trading Terry. In this question context and motivation for the trade matters. Is the team capped out and desperate for room? Did Terry become horrible value at that AAV? Do we have a better/cheaper replacement for Terry? There would have to be reasons why Terry is traded and what those reasons are determine if you are trading him as a cap dump or a positive value asset.

In a similar vein, why would Buffalo trade Skinner here? What is their motivation with littlejerryseinfeld's comment in my mind.

3 mai à 2 h 3

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AntiAnalytics

Banni

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Modifié 3 mai à 13 h 35

Quoting: CHAR

No argument on my side, I think it's an interesting discussion on value. You are a Buffalo fan... in a hypothetical for picks only trade what would you expect to get back for Skinner?

I don’t think we are gonna try to move him
But if we did- big “if”
Then i don’t think we’d do it to a team who views him as a “Cap dump”

I frankly don’t know what an (admittedly) expensive 30goal scorer who gets 60+ pts & isn’t great defensively is worth
I’d imagine some teams would just hang up the phone & say no thanks
Others might offer pick(s)/prospects
But to get any reasonable sort of return, we’d have to hold half & send him to a contender type team looking to boost their offense

This is the most I’m willing to dwell it this hypothetical though
Bc i don’t find it “interesting” to discuss the extremely unlikely
No offense, it’s just not my thing

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