That's a horrible take. Calgary wasn't moving Vlader for a 3rd last summer if they'd been willing to accept that he'd be long gone already.

When Vladar got to start more than the odd game every once in a while he was just fine. He's quicker than Marky with better reflexes and glove too. He'll be fine after getting surgery and with more practice as a starter / tandem goalie instead of getting thrown in on short notice most of the time.

You need to stop believing trash talk from the homers around here. When the worst trash talking homers like a trade involving their team it's because they're robbing the other team blind. The simple fact is most trade proposals that are good value for both teams and meet both teams' needs/wants are hated by the majority of both teams' fans.

For all the others who will undoubtedly feel the need to comment on this. I don't bull**** and I don't fall for your bull**** either. I tell it like I see it. If someone doesn't like it that's his problem. I don't expect everyone to agree with me but I don't respond to people who repeatedly resort to ad hominin attacks or post walls of text full of lies and logical fallacies trying to rationalize why bad trades are actually good trades for anyone but their own favorite team(s).

Delusional but cute. Vladar worth a 2nd. How adorable.



Chill. You are going to have a stroke.

Owen Beck have a Nhl game already. Great 2 way centerman, who excel on faceoff. Great skater, good shot. Is playmaking ability aren’t that high but is overall positioning is exceptional so he might have more success playing with professional player. I would say is ceiling is Anthony Cirelli and is floor Phillip Danault. He won’t be a highlight real player but he is a dream players for coaches.
He would instantly become Flames best centerprospect even if your fellow man who think Vladar isn’t overpaid portraits him as a marginal b prospect who doesn’t hold any value. Considering Flames situation at the centerposition, is Sharangovixh would want out. Beck would be a solid consolation prize.

Even Calgary fan had enough of your bull****.

Let's agree to disagree here then.

Here's how I see it - every team knew that CGY was looking to move a goalie in the offseason. CGY had the best goalie in the AHL for 2 years running, and both Markstrom and Vladar were bad under Sutter. Conroy even said as much. At some point he even commented(fan960) on only being offered a 5th or a 6th for Vladar.

I agree that Vladar looked better than "I just suck at hockey right now" Markstrom in spurts. Vladar would have 2 great games followed by 2 stinkers. That lacking consistency is why I don't value Vladar as highly as you do, especially at a $2M caphit.

PS: I base about 70% of my player evaluation of a Flames player on watching a player play. 20% on analytics to show me things I'm missing, and 10% on talking to oposing fans that don't watch that player as consistently as I do.

I would defer to analytics and other fans a lot more when talking about players I don't watch as much (like in the eastern Conference).

Delusional but cute. Vladar worth a 2nd. How adorable.




The problem with goalies is consistency. Every year the stats, and the metrics will change. "GOALIES ARE VOODOO"
Teams will simply treat the position as a luxury.
There is no better example than Vegas giving away that year's incumbent Vezina winner for FREE to Chicago and they will probably have to give away the current SC winner, Adin Hil, away for FREE, if they wish to keep Marchy and Stephenson as well. And this isn't a new phenomenon. Nashville is another with Lankinen and Saros as Askarov will be in the lineup almost certainly next year. When you have goalies like Adin Hill and Kevin Lankinen available whom both are better by every metric stat than Vladar and only a few chairs to seat at goalie, the scarcity dynamic cant be ignored. The offseason also is tougher to move bad money than the Trade Deadline when you dont know the true makeup of your team and player/goalie retention is more to swallow instead of the cap hit being pro rated at the deadline.
Vladar going for anything more than the TDL and Jake Allen at retention would be shocking when you consider ALL THOSE circumstances.