This is woefully bad for Toronto

To have a legit shot at winning a cup is bad?
Please explain?

Doubt Marner would waive

Except Mariner conversation goes something like this. GMBT: Mitch, got a trade I want to send you to Seattle.
MM: F*** OFF

I like the idea of the package but if Toronto considered moving Marner and he’d waive his NMC, you gotta think it’s for a younger right handed defender. Someone like Larsson for Marner only shortens the teams winning window when ideally you’d wanna make the team stronger for longer

lol. That’s not how they go…

The team usually approaches the player and says something similar to “hey look, we’re looking at moving you and think it’s best for both sides for a different look. Think about it and give us a list of teams you’d waive for” & generally players concede to that. Players don’t wanna play for a team that doesn’t want them. & Seattle isn’t a bad fit for Marner - it’s an up and coming team that needs a go to offensive catalyst and it’s a tax free state. Both could be intriguing to Marner.

But this idea on this site of players with NMC never waiving is just ridiculous. Players don’t get NMC to never be traded - they get it so that they control where and when they are dealt. If you think that just because Marner grew up a Leafs fan that he’s never waive then you’d be wrong. It’s a business first, game second.

There are a lot more John Tavares,Steven Stamkos, players who get it for that exact reason compared to Phil the hot dog man who waives. We just never here about them refusing or rarely do anyway because teams don't want that getting out. Neither really does the player. He's not getting anymore money leaving and he has to acrue the moving costs and uprooting his wife if he's married yada yada .
The original NMC was Vinny LeCavelier after TBs previous ownership screwed Dan Boyle over he gave a hometown discount then they told him either accept the trade to SJ or we'll waive you and you got no say where you're going. So, yes they often have that purpose in mind.

Depends on where too
Make a deal for him to go to DET right now
I think he's be alright with it given they're on the start of their upswing after a Rebuild.
While TML's best years are behind this youth core who've grown into Veteran Core.

If TML can get 2 pieces NHL Ready who exceed Marners Contributions then trading to a rival isnt the end of the world.
I'd say MTL or OTT but they have no need of a Marner right now as a pending UFA after next year.
DET has a couple guys who couldnt make the jump to 2nd C where Marner could give them their scariest top 6 since the 1990s
TML has top 6 C covered so having a Lowry type in Rasmussen a 6'6 3rd line Center who's about to be 25 and fits their timeline
Veleno would likely be the 2nd piece added in as no D that TML wants that DET is willing to give up.



Not that you have to be a French Speaking Center who is viewed as an underdog goes over huge in MTL and for the right price they'd likely give up the most NHL ready oriented Package.
I'd suggest flipping Veleno to MTL for a Struble or Harris who got similar value but both are younger with more flexibility with both RD capable but Struble's built for it playing 2/3 years in NCAA on Harris's RD actually. Ideally we'd package them both in the deal to TOR so they'd include 6'6 Cade Webber in the mix who fits Lavals needs perfectly . Given Webber's style and our Coaches Defense First ,Last and Always approach to the game that makes Claude Julien look like an Offensive Dynamo by proxy. Coach Houle is all about Minutes being earned but giving him 6'6 Webber to joined 6'4 Bisson,6'3 Reinbacher as well as Mailloux with Barron at 6'2 being the smallest will only help Coach Houle build a playoff Contender again and Dobes/ Kaskisu in net will benefit too im sure .

That said it doesnt have to be and TBH you could get more Draft Capital in a deal elsewhere but you wont get NHL Depth that will be or is ready for the NHL.
I guess it depends on the Goal and what you want back in return for Marner whether it be NHL Vet, NHL Prospect/Youth Core piece or Just Picks
Or if its a mixture of all 3 then a 3 way trade likely makes the most sense.

Marner though wont just waive his NMC unless it makes sense for him and his Family.
So shipping him off to SEA to lose as their GM is on a Downward Spiral ,likely isnt on his Bucket List
But close to home in DET where there can be a deal carved out that benefits TML without them needing to take on Cap Back , it makes sense.
But outside that i dont see many teams who need him that make sense for him.
I mean Potentially Brokering a 3 way Deal would be the most likely way to get prospects you want south of the boarder though
Like some Players like Gibson are set in not playing outside USA full time , There's players like Marner in a Position to assure they dont have to.
They're Rare for sure but Getting drafted by your Home Provinces Team 4th OA and becoming the player he has as one of the faces of TML Franchise isnt common.
It took Tavares a decade to get home and live the Dream Marner has always known.

They intend to keep Marner for the most part
They know if he asks too much its on him
But they want TML to take a run at re-signing him
So its a hard sell to market them as Sellers given TML always waits too long.
Sundin waited, overpaid him then traded him once his value was next to nothing.
Clarke it was the same thing too

They listen to their Fans too much and lose because of it.
They fear moving on a top piece as in a TML Market depending on the return, it'll get you fired for even an above average return.
For a GM there to hit a Home Run would take a lot really

Your a complete idiot
That is the worst trade i have ever seen

Wow real moron here a PIT fan talking about the worst trade ever!
You idiots just traded for Karlsson lmao!
Any trade compared to that will be way better!
If you had a brain you might have an opinion that matters!

What are you, A Twitter user? And this trade is so much worse than the Karlsson trade, I can name many reasons why this trade both sucks and is unrealistic
1. Marner would not go to Seattle
2. You aren't getting enough value from Seattle
3. You should get a 1RW to replace Marner
4. Adam Larsson is not the best Defensemen on SEA (Dunn and Oleksiek)
5. Add a Prospect
You're 8 years old

I am 8 years old after you come on site and attack me lmao !
You are a complete moron go away your opinion is worthless!

Bro Didn't even defend himself, Get of the site

Why would I need to defend myself from a troll?
Clearly you have opinions , they are very stupid so like I said before go away Troll!
If anything you said was even slightly valid I might feel the need to defend my position but clearly as a PIT fan you drank the kool aid, they were great ONCE!

Troll? I have opinions and i am aloud to say them, And you still haven't defended yourself, This conversation is over, Delete your account before another person makes you cry