That's not even remotely close for Necas. He's going to make north of 7 million for one. The only way I can see Necas ending up in Ottawa is if he's in a package for Stutzle. Nothing else is particularly interesting. A late 1st and a cap dump isn't close. I could see Tkachuk as a possible target, but he also sucks defensively which may make him very not a Rod target, depending on if he is the coach next year still

ngl i hate the idea of trading bath

i understand its short on the offer but lets be realistic as to what is attainable for necas lol. MJ is also not a cap dump, hes comfortably worth more than his cap hit

Because it's a stupid idea.

i dont think itll actually happen fwiw

As I said, the most realistic way Necas ends up in Ottawa is in a package for Stutzle. Nothing else you have interests a buying team. Mathieu Joseph is mediocre and overpaid. The 1st is going to be late. From a futures perspective, I don't think it's unreasonable to say both Pinto and the OTTAWA 1st in 2024 would have to be on the table to even open a conversation. A bottom six winger and a late 1st isn't getting a dude coming off a 70 point season, whose going to reach 60-65 again this year

yeah thats just not going to happen. I dont think Necas is the piece that'll be leaving Carolina either, but those are huge over-valuations of his value imo.

Timmy is a 90+ point center superstar, and Pinto is a 60-65 point center lol. Timmy is in a total different league than Necas, and Pinto is worth more than him already. Pinto + a top 7 pick for Necas is just delusional.

In what way? He's a 70+ point producer that's 6'2 and has turbo speed. He'll be leaving in a package for an upgrade, or he won't be leaving.

In what world is Pinto, who has a career high of 35 points, worth more than 70 point Necas? That's not a joke either, explain that because it's insane. Necas would need a middle six young piece (e.g Pinto) and a top 10 pick IF the Canes are going to deal him for futures, which is already very unrealistic since they are a cup favorite. Timmy had 1 90 point season and hasn't even been over a PPG outside of that year. While he is better than Necas, there's no reason for Carolina to move him without an upgrade coming back. As I said, it wouldn't be Necas alone. It would be Necas in a package. Otherwise, you just do not have the assets to do it, because a bottom six winger and a 1st isn't even scraping the surface

He is incredibly similar to Drake Batherson, who admittedly I would also probably not trade for Joseph and a 20ish 1st round pick; but i also recognize he has nowhere near the value of a an upside #1C or a top 10 pick +

Necas is a 70+ point producer in a system that notoriously strangles offensive talent... if you don't pay the price, you won't get Necas. It's incredibly likely he re-signs, but he drastically better than Batheson.

Yeah i agree thats the most likely case, i was just seeing if there was interest in flipping necas for a decent winger that would fit the system to maintain cap flexibility

Cap isn't an issue. Carolina have 30 million in space. They can easily retain Necas and not take pennies on the dollar for him

Yeah it was never a question of retaining Necas, it was more that is going from necas to joseph while getting more assets worth it in order to keep pesce/skjei/teravainen

Pesce's likely not coming back anyway, there's no need for Skjei because we have Orlov, and Teuvo could probably be kept while still holding Necas

Calgary declines.

You're not getting 1st, Grans and 3rd for Chychrun + Forsberg. Philly doesn't want anything to do with Forsberg, Chychrun is pending UFA with one year left on his contract and Forsberg is just a cap dump with negative value.

Try something like FLA 1st and Grans for Chychrun, maybe add some later pick if there is extension in place. Or if you really want to add Forsberg, then add a 2nd as well going to Philly.

Pinto is on pace for 60 points if he played a full 82. That's pretty damn good for a 2C who is also very good at face offs, good defensively, and only 23. Necas has produced 70 once and he's not doing it again this season, but I will agree his points are not indicating how good he is. I think he'd be like a consistent 85 point guy beside Timmy + Bath/Giroux. The Joseph + Boston 1st offer is pretty disrespectful tho haha.

I got ahead of myself since I'm a Pinner fanboy, Necas is definitely more valuable right now but every team in the NHL would bid on Pinto if he was available.

there’s no real way for Necas to Ottawa to happen and that trade obviously isn’t enough, but Joseph is far from a cap dump for the Sens at this point

That's fair

Just curious, where did all these Chychrun to Philly proposals come from? I don't see the fit personally.

Isles offer doesn't do it for us....I would want a young player instead

I think they were rumoured to be in on him at the deadline

mark kastelic is about the only young player i could muster