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Forum: Armchair-GM30 avr. à 16 h 21
Forum: Armchair-GM30 avr. à 16 h 3
Sujet: Improvements Under the Cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PurpleHippo</b></div><div>I could swap the year for the draft but I assume 2026 is no better for the Flyers as its 3 out, Tullio is like a 13th guy so I don't disagree there. I just don't think a team would move a 1st for Risto at this point.
Also remember you're getting Desh (who in this situation I make the assumption signs with you) to fill in that gap until Bonk comes up (I assume he's 2 years out?).
Idk, it depends on Phili's direction going forward, if they're making another push next year than I assume they just keep Risto given their cap space; but, if they're gunna go into a 2-3 year re-tool (get stuff ready for Mich) than a trade like this for this worth becomes more realistic.</div></div>

I'd just assume in this case they would want some better prospect, -26 2nd ain't helping that much either.

And I also think with 3-3,5M cap hit Canucks or Leafs (both were rumoured to be interested before his injury) could maybe be paying the late 1st, both are in need of steady RHD. Oilers doesn't really have the suitable assets, except -25 1st. Unless they would be moving Holloway (wouldn't be smart for them), or Akey could be one that interests Flyers, but doubt Oilers are parting ways with him either.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 avr. à 14 h 2
Sujet: Improvements Under the Cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PurpleHippo</b></div><div>For DiMarco my point more so being that there may be a slight bias in his opinion.
Take a guy like Hayes you traded last year half retained for a 6th, I expect that to be a lot closer to what we can expect this deal to be (getting a little to free cap and room for prospects).
I think 2nd + prospect is his range at 3-3.5M, it's even a pretty decent return for him.</div></div>

Hayes case is totally different story. They wanted to get rid of Hayes, Provorov, DeAngelo for example because they wanted to change the team culture. And some could say it worked pretty well this season. Risto ain't problem for Flyers nor is his contract, even though he's somewhat overpriced as mentioned earlier.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PurpleHippo</b></div><div>
Assumed this is part of Friedman's quote:

Assumed the cost would mean a 2nd-3rd range, most team's aren't gambling their firsts for a multi-year deal and would rather buy a high-end rental at that price.</div></div>

That was the Friedman part yes. And one could think it's a good bet to get a guy for 3*3M (what you have proposed), who actually had really good advanced stats this season despite being injured couple times. And played in a non playoff team. But i also understand the concern, how much of this is because Torts' system and how much is because of his gameplay. If you are gonna get that high-end rental every year, it's gonna cost a lot.

But as mentioned, right now he's good player for Flyers (wouldn't have believed this 2 years ago) and his contract ain't a problem. They are not gonna retain for 3 years for low return, if they retain, they will want something better than (presumably) late 2nd in kinda weak draft and "prospect" who's most likely never gonna hit the show. Or I could just be wrong and get disappointed with meh return.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 avr. à 13 h 20
Sujet: Improvements Under the Cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PurpleHippo</b></div><div>I think a different prospect could be negotiated but a 1st would need to include something else back as well.

DiMarco is from what I gathered primarily a Flyers writer, I don't know if using him would be the best to judge value on a trade or trade expectation.
However, I agree that the talks would start with a 1st, but eventually fall to a 2nd and mid-prospect.

Risto is a good target cause with the retention he becomes pretty cost effective but any team taking him is taking on the fairly large risk of if he plays a simple shutdown and puck movement game (where he shines) or if he tries to over-exert (where he would likely get benched/boxed).
Throwing a 1st at that and getting a guy for 3 years, even with retention, could be a blunder.</div></div>

Yes he's indeed Flyers writer, but usually knows Flyers stuff pretty well. And that's why there is also Elliotte Friedman quote to back it up.

Late 1st/2nd + decent prospect shouldn't be bad price as cap is going up if you get him for 3 years with 3M aav. But indeed he should be played as ~20min stay-at-home D + PK. That's where he's improved A LOT with Shaw and Torts. If you try to make him a 2-way puck playing D, he might be just a ticking time bomb.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 avr. à 12 h 48
Sujet: Improvements Under the Cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tommygunns</b></div><div>Desharnais is better than Ristolainen</div></div>

Prime example how to tell you don't watch hockey in 5 words, without saying it.

Risto is overpriced yes, but he's also a lot better what some people think.

And for OP, with that retention Flyers most likely want a 1st in return. This quote is from february by Anthony Di Marco:

"If were to retain 25%+ on Risto until '27, I'd expect a 1st RD pick as PHI's price. W/ the cap going up, the contract will age well."

And Friedman said:

As mentioned by
@FriedgeHNIC
in 32T, Ristolainen's play has drawn attention - but the contract does make things complicated.

Speaking with another team, Risto is valued at a ~$3.5M AAV. PHI is willing to retain but it will come at a cost.

So there you have it, 2nd and Tullio ain't enough, would need a better prospect or the 1st.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 avr. à 14 h 57