wow. necas really worth... like 4 firsts?

Not for that they don't. Nothing here helps the roster. They need scoring, Necas provides that. If they trade him they need scoring back. Futures don't do anything. Montreal needs to start with Caufield

Not for that package they don't

A 1ST ROUND PICK
Another 1st rounder (Mesar)
Young Roster player (Jordan Harris, former 2nd round pick)
Another 2nd round pick

seems ridiculous to imply that two first round picks and two second round picks aren't enough

This... isn't happening.

apparently he's worth more than anyone who's been traded in the last 10 years

The Canes have no need to trade Necas, and if they do it will not be for futures. Values aside - and 2 firsts is probably plenty on value - this package is not enticing.

Wow, this is just horrible for Montreal, giving up 4 1st round picks worth of players, prospects and picks for a guy who averages 50 points per season (and that is with prorating this season)?! When did we lower the bar for Generational talent? McDavid, MacKinnon and maybe Matthews are the only players in the league who get this kind of a return, for any Canes fans who say this isn't enough to get Necas, you are delusional. Some fan bases just do not understand how value works, 50 point players, are not worth more than a 1st + 2nd + 3rd. To say that it starts with Caufield and then add from there is just a stupid comment, that would be like Montreal saying that you need to send us Jarvis if you want Harris. When was a middle 6 forward ever traded for a top line winger +? It's never happened and never will, so get over your man crush on Necas and come back to earth.

Thats a fair point - While value is there in a vaccum - you have to consider that you are not buying from a rebuilding team, but from a contender. It's more likely that they trade 1 for 1 for a player in a position of need.

Except the position of need would be scoring wingers. Montreal don't have anybody on the wing as good as Necas, Caufield included. There isn't a one-for-one trade here. Maybe there's a world where Carolina may listen to Necas, 1st, Morrow + for Suzuki and something like Justin Barron, but there's no world where a one-for-one trade makes sense here for me. It would need to be Caufield + or a larger deal for a bigger piece. That doesn't just apply to Montreal, by the way. If this was Vancouver, Necas + for something like EP40 which the Canes tried before the deadline.

Seems ridiculous to think a team in the middle of their contention window would trade one of their top forwards for a cap dump and a bunch of futures.
I didn't imply the value wasn't enough. But the package doesn't work. Contending teams rarely trade top 6 players for futures.

And MTL's need are top 6 wingers... conclusion : Canes and habs are not great trading partners right now. And that's okay.

We have a surplus of Dmans and picks. We have a GREAT need for top 6 talent... and it is absolutely dumb to trade a top 6 players for another. Its a laterral move at best.

Altough considering you have to resign more than half your Dcore next season... I'm sure one of our Dman could be of interest.

BTW - Caufield (23yo) has better projected points (64 pts/82g v.s 58pts/82g) as Necas (25yo) while playing on a TERRIBLE team and coming back from major shoulder surgery. Also, Slaf, at 19, is projected 12 pts behind Necas... even after the terrible start where he got 10 pts in 34 games. So I would dial it back a little bit on that front.

Necas is also not playing on the top powerplay unit, not on the top line, and is still on a PPG scoring pace since the all-star break. Necas is the better player, it's not close. Slaf's been okay recently, but he's also had his rough spells.

Would you guys rather a package around Matheson and Winnipegs 1st?

No, there's no package of futures that will interest Carolina. The only way I think the Canes would be okay parting with Necas is if he is in a package for a substantial upgrade, like EP40 that they tried at the deadline. Montreal doesn't have that. *Maybe Suzuki* but even then I'm not so sure.

Caufield, suprinsingly has not been a PP merchant this year (his shot is taking time to come back) - only 20 pts out of his 55 pts ( vs. 12pts on 51 for Necas).

Don't get me wrong - I'd LOVE Necas on my team - that's why you are getting offers of 4 first round pick for him lol. Slaf is at a PPG too since the All-stars.

But it serves no purpose to debate on this because at the end of the day Necas >>>>>> than any forward on the habs not named Suzuki, Slaf, Caufield, Dach. We have a top 4 and we need a top 6.

Necas >>>>>> Any forward on the Habs not named Suzuki, but that is fair

Matheson is not a futures asset lol, he's a DMAN with 50 points right now, your depth on D is lacking to start next year if the Canes are keeping Guentzel i see a fit for a trade here, call me crazy. I don't see a world where Carolina locks up Gunetzel, Jarvis and Necas to long term deals and Necas was already bridged.

Caufield is 2.5 years younger and doing the same things, I wouldn't trade Caufield of Suzuki straight up for Necas. Obviously not Slafkovsky either

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There isn't one. Matheson wouldn't be a 50 point D man in Carolina. He wouldn't get PP1 time over Burns, and he probably wouldn't get PP2 time over Morrow or Nikishin when he comes across next year. There is no world where Matheson makes sense.

Bridge Jarvis, extend Necas and Guentzel if they want to do it that way.

Caufield has also played something like 200 minutes more for his extra 4 points? Yeah, you'd have to add to Caufield to get Necas. He's three years older, but he's significantly better. Better skater, bigger size (people forget Necas is 6'2) and he's more complete defensively. Not to mention, Necas is a natural center. Move valuable position.