So a couple of C prospects, a cap dump, and a 1st for Guentzel 50% retained and Ruhwedel? And you’d actually like that trade?

Dylan Holloway is not a C prospect, lol. That’s a horrible take.

Agreed. Pens need a much better package than that. I don't know the prospects well enough to grade them, but Edmonton doesn't have a great prospect pool.

You're also selling low on Eller. He went for a 2nd last season, on a down year. He has bounced back this season. Should probably get similar value this season without retention.

Go look at any Jake trade’s out there (not necessarily here in CapFriendly fantasy land) all are underwhelming

Yeah u definitely ain’t a hockey fan cause this is a brutal take if anything this is an overpay and it’s actually a lot more than what the pens are asking for and saying Ceci is a cap dump just proves you have absolutely no idea what u are talking about.

That is the equivalent of 3 first round picks and our number 2 Right shot D man for 20 games of Guentzel. Hard pass from this Oiler fan. It creates more holes than it fills.

I would do a 1st, Broberg and one of (A second rounder, Raph Lavoie or Carter Savoie). The second prospect/pick would be included for the Pens to retain salary.

Anything more than that and I would look elsewhere if I were the Oilers.

He’s 22 and can’t even make the oilers lineup consistently that’s pretty much only top 6. He’s not going to be waivers exempt anymore after this year and he’s put up below average 4th line stats. He is absolutely entering bust category and not nearly as good of a prospect as he was a couple years ago. Broberg can’t even crack the oilers terrible defensive lineup. The pens already have MP, Graves, and Ludvig ahead of him and POJ. Now add the fact they still have Pickering, Smith, Rathbone, Shea, etc in the minors too. The last thing they need is another middling LD prospect that’s entering POJ territory. This trade would be terrible without retention.

No it’s not a lot more than what pens fans are asking. It’s been reported that Jake without retention will cost at least a 1st, roster player, and a top prospect bare minimum. So look at the Lindholm trade as a starting point. And yes Ceci is a cap dump. To pay 3.25 million for a 3rd pair D is just ridiculous. Just because the oilers atrocious defense has him on 2nd pair doesn’t mean the pens will.

3 1st round picks? Huh?

Holloway can’t get in the top 6 because of who they have in their top 6. Sid can turn him into at least a good player if not a star player as he did with Jake and Rust. He will not be a flop or anything near a flop. I have no idea about Broberg but it’s worth a gamble to throw him in this deal. If we trade Jake the return is not going to be what any of us want. Rentals at the deadline are always underwhelming and the reports of what’s being offered to us are all worse than what I have here. I’ve seen a 1st, 3rd and Warren Foegele! That’s atrocious.

Holloway has to be a part of it or you’re ripping us off.

He's at least a B prospect...

Sid "Might" make him a star, but obviously, McJesus can't.

No Holloway can’t get into the lineup much period. Much less top 6. That’s not a good sign. He’s only played 22 games this season and his high is 51 where he’s done absolutely nothing. Not even double digit points. And you could say “Sid can turn him into something” with literally anyone. That doesn’t mean I’m paying an arm and leg for a player that’s put up below average fourth liner numbers just because “well maybe Sid can make him respectable”

I wouldn't consider either Broberg or Holloway to have 1st round pick value right now. They were drafted 5 and 4 drafts ago respectively. Broberg still hasn't earned a permanent spot in the NHL, and Holloway hasn't produced very well. Maybe one or both are in need of a change of scenery, but I doubt either of them are going to reach their ceilings. Broberg especially.
Neither look like good bets to have 1st rounder upside at the point they're at.

He only played 22 games cause he was injured lol you actually have no idea what ur talking about not even worth arguing with you cause you can’t argue with stupid

when you think the penguins are taking back a reclamation project for Jake

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/dylan-holloway-in-hurry-up-and-wait-mode-yet-again-as-condors-games-postponed
Cool…a very injury prone prospect who couldn’t hack it at his natural position of wing so had to get sent back down to get some reps at center and they hope he figures it out at center. As I said, he’s a C prospect that’s borderline bust territory. Looks like the person that has no clue what they are talking about is you. He’s a poor man’s Sam Poulin at best.

https://dobberprospects.com/player/dylan-holloway/

Holloway at best is an ok 3rd liner ceiling. I’d bet he’s more like a good 4 liner though.

https://dobberprospects.com/player/philip-broberg/#:~:text=Two%2Dway%20defenseman%20with%20great,defenseman%20with%20good%20offensive%20numbers.

Broberg at best is a meh 2nd pair. I’d be willing to bet he’s just a solid 3rd pair D though. Maybe a slight upgrade over POJ at best.

https://dobberprospects.com/player/xavier-bourgault/

Bourgault may be their best prospect and he’s pretty much just Sam Poulin’s equivalent.

So the oilers really have nothing that’s interesting and would simply be quantity instead of quality.


https://dobberprospects.com/player/samuel-poulin/
Here’s Sam Poulin’s chart for reference.


https://dobberprospects.com/player/pierre-olivier-joseph-2/#:~:text=A%20smart%20defenseman%20who%20transitions,see%20him%20in%20the%20NHL.

Here’s POJ’s for reference.

They certainly aren’t getting McDavid

He isn’t playing on their top line. It’s clear he’s not a line driver. He isn’t going to thrive with McLeod and Fogele. He needs 87 and Rusty. Sid can elevate him.

Who is he going to knock out of their LW, RNH or Kane? Absolutely not. Now here he can play with Jake out of here because after Jake we just don’t have a whole lot of options at LW.

Extreme overpay for Guentzal. Pens fans don’t accept cause they don’t know anything about prospects or the value of rental wingers.

Extreme overpay it is most definitely not. Without Holloway a trade with Edmonton isn’t going to happen.

It doesn’t matter lol. That’s not the point. The point is that he’s a C prospect who is borderline bust territory. He’s done f all on their bottom 6. He’s done f all in their lineup in general. He’s sucked as a winger, his natural position, so they sent him down to the Ahl after coming back from injury to try him out at center and now he’s a 4th line center. He’s a reclamation project best case scenario that maybe becomes an ok 3C, but likely is just a good 4C…kind of like a Teddy Blueger. Holloway isn’t even their best prospect lol. He’s their 3rd best prospect in a system whose prospects aren’t good

No pens fans don’t accept it because it isn’t an extreme overpay. It’s an extreme underpay. Oilers fans can’t accept it because they are going to homer for their prospects lol. I’ve literally shown facts and proof that both Holloway and Broberg are C prospects. All oiler fans have done is shown they can insult someone and refuse to show any proof or facts that disagree with me. That just goes to show who actually knows something here and who wins.