Pure Rental Trade Assessment

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Créé par: earl08

Équipe: 2023-24 Avalanche du Colorado

Date de création initiale: 26 janv. 2024

Publié: 26 janv. 2024

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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Pls comment with your respectable & constructive comments, like you always do. My thought with Byram is he's on a relatively cheap deal this season AND next, so CMac should take advantage of a strong starting D core while feasible under the cap & without having to trade anyone else away to make room. He can still flip Byram for a 2C Summer 2025 and will have extracted the maximum value out of the cap situation by doing so. The high rental price ensures COL outbids any other team (WPG) for Lindholm's services, & to reward MacK for his hard fitness work, playing mega minutes & hodling up the team bus every night :D

Its two 1sts, a 2nd, a & a RyJo cap dump for Lindholm

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Parise, Zach		1	775 000 $

Transactions

COL

Lindholm, Elias

Détails additionnels:

EL is a pure rental, mercenary; no shame in that. Avs need the 1st to deal for a stop-gap 2C this summer. These are the Avs' three top prospects. Keeping Byram while on a cheap contract maximizes his value before he can demand a bigger AAV. This is a high price to pay for a rental but fortunately for COL these players fit CGY's needs while still leaving the Avs contending window open. Yes, they kick the 2C solution down the road, but thankfully the NHL allocates them additional draft picks each new year to help with this problem.

CGY

Behrens, Sean [Liste de réserve]
Gulyayev, Mikhail [Liste de réserve]
Johansen, Ryan
Ritchie, Calum [Liste de réserve]
Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (COL)

Détails additionnels:

Behrens fills a starting Dman spot as soon as this spring. As CGY might lose half its D core from start of 23-24 season, this fits an immediate need. MG is the long term, high ceiling D prospect; he'll take a few more years to ripen, but is already performing well at the KHL level this season as a younger player. CR is a solid top six C prospect that is 2-3 yrs away from a starting role; he's so far successfully navigated a shoulder injury in his draft eligible year to remain a top CHL prospect that is back on track to the NHL. The 3rd is to pls take RyJo for cap purposes, namaste.

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	83 500 000 $	82 771 250 $	637 500 $	0 $	728 750 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Nichushkin, Valeri 6 125 000 $6 125 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 7	MacKinnon, Nathan 12 600 000 $12 600 000 $ C NMC UFA - 8	Rantanen, Mikko 9 250 000 $9 250 000 $ AD, C M-NTC UFA - 2
Drouin, Jonathan 825 000 $825 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Lindholm, Elias 4 850 000 $4 850 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1	Lehkonen, Artturi 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD NTC UFA - 4
Wood, Miles 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ AG UFA - 6	Colton, Ross 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ C, AG UFA - 4	O'Connor, Logan 1 050 000 $1 050 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
Parise, Zach 775 000 $775 000 $ AG UFA - 1	Cogliano, Andrew 825 000 $825 000 $ AG UFA - 1	Kovalenko, Nikolai 896 250 $896 250 $ AD RFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Toews, Devon 4 100 000 $4 100 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Makar, Cale 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ DD UFA - 4	Georgiev, Alexandar 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ G UFA - 2
Girard, Samuel 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 4	Manson, Josh 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ DD NTC UFA - 3	Prosvetov, Ivan 775 000 $775 000 $ G UFA - 1
Byram, Bowen 3 850 000 $3 850 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 2	Johnson, Jack 775 000 $775 000 $ DG UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MacDermid, Kurtis 987 500 $987 500 $ DG/DD, AG UFA - 1		Francouz, Pavel 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ G UFA - 1
Olofsson, Fredrik 775 000 $775 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1		Landeskog, Gabriel 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ AG, C NMC UFA - 6
Jones, Caleb 775 000 $775 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

Équipe de réserve
Malinski, Sam 850 000 $850 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) DD RFA - 2
Meyers, Ben 775 000 $775 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AG, C UFA - 1
Kiviranta, Joel 775 000 $775 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AD, AG UFA - 1

Is Elias Lindholm worth Martin St Louis value?

26 janv. à 13 h 33

SharkTank

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Well thought out argument.

I don't know if Calgary does this or not.

But you certainly presented a valid case. 😁

I'd love to see Lindholm as 2C on Colorado. 🙂

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26 janv. à 13 h 36

Anus_McLeod

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This is an easy no for Colorado. Both Ritchie and Gulyayev have increased their value since being drafted. They're looking very good and are more valuable than any first the team holds.

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26 janv. à 13 h 37

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With Calgary having the ability to they should be retaining on Lindholm, Tanev, Hanifin, I don't think that means they will because for whatever reason Flames ownership is find paying Sutter 4M a year not to coach here but not eating a fraction of a salary for 3 months.

If that were the case I would be shocked if Conroy couldn't get a 1st in any deal for any of the above mentioned guys.

Ritchie OR Behrans + Johanson + 1st for Lindholm @ 2.45M

At his full cap hit, Johanson + Ritchie OR Behrans + a pick.

Everything you said here is a good thought.

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26 janv. à 13 h 38

WranglerWranglin

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Quoting: WranglerWranglin

With Calgary having the ability to they should be retaining on Lindholm, Tanev, Hanifin, I don't think that means they will because for whatever reason Flames ownership is find paying Sutter 4M a year not to coach here but not eating a fraction of a salary for 3 months.

If that were the case I would be shocked if Conroy couldn't get a 1st in any deal for any of the above mentioned guys.

Ritchie OR Behrans + Johanson + 1st for Lindholm 2.45M

At his full cap hit, Johanson + Ritchie OR Behrans + a pick.

My bad. Doubled up

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26 janv. à 13 h 43

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Quoting: WranglerWranglin

My bad. Doubled up

Cocaine is a helluva drug

26 janv. à 13 h 43

Anus_McLeod

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Quoting: WranglerWranglin

With Calgary having the ability to they should be retaining on Lindholm, Tanev, Hanifin, I don't think that means they will because for whatever reason Flames ownership is find paying Sutter 4M a year not to coach here but not eating a fraction of a salary for 3 months.

If that were the case I would be shocked if Conroy couldn't get a 1st in any deal for any of the above mentioned guys.

Ritchie OR Behrans + Johanson + 1st for Lindholm 2.45M

At his full cap hit, Johanson + Ritchie OR Behrans + a pick.

Everything you said here is a good thought.

While I obviously don't know for sure what the team is thinking, I'm pretty confident that Ritchie is off the table for any rental (even Lindholm). A 1st + Behrens + Johansen is doable though. No retention necessary, but will take it if offered.

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26 janv. à 13 h 48

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Quoting: Anus_McLeod

If the Flames are gutting their defence as expected I would be disappointed if Behrens, Johanson and a 1st were on the table and Conroy didn't take it, I like the framework of that deal a lot. Ritchie is a stud and likely a pipe dream without Calgary adding in the deal.

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26 janv. à 13 h 58

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Such an easy no for the Avs. '24 1st plus one of Behrens/Olausson/Gulyayev plus RyJo is as much as the Avs should be paying and even then I'm not sure it's worth it.

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26 janv. à 14 h 8

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I think your reasoning makes sense. However, the trade for Colorado does not. I'd like lindholm. But Ritchie and Gulyayev are the avs best prospects by a mile. Without them, that cupboard is pretty bare. I think Ritchie is already projected to be the 2C of the future. I think prospects the avs would be more likely to give up would be behrens, and Olausson. Maybe not the most value on those two. But I'd imagine they are the only ones the Avs would be willing to give up.

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26 janv. à 14 h 21

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Its two 1sts, a 2nd, a & a RyJo cap dump for 35-50 games of Lindholm*

*corrected

26 janv. à 15 h 0

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Quoting: Android_H_Jones

Its two 1sts, a 2nd, a & a RyJo cap dump for 35-50 games of Lindholm*

*corrected

Two firsts (Gulyayev & Ritchie), a second (Behrens), a THIRD, and a 'RyJo cap dump' for 35-50 games of Lindholm......it gets worse the more you look at it.

26 janv. à 15 h 52

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Quoting: TJTwolf

Two firsts (Gulyayev & Ritchie), a second (Behrens), a THIRD, and a 'RyJo cap dump' for 35-50 games of Lindholm......it gets worse the more you look at it.

You can’t value a guy as worth a 1st round pick just because he was drafted in the 1st round.. neither Gulyayev or Ritchie are worth a 1st round pick.

After a player is drafted, his draft round is irrelevant.

26 janv. à 15 h 52

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Feel like Colorado would just be smarter to spend 2 1sts and go get Boone Jenner from Columbus and roll with the guy under contract for longer and cheaper

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26 janv. à 19 h 41

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Quoting: Ryminister_92

Feel like Colorado would just be smarter to spend 2 1sts and go get Boone Jenner from Columbus and roll with the guy under contract for longer and cheaper

Exactly idk about 2 1st but def a 1st and 2nd and 2 prospects I say

26 janv. à 20 h 23

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Quoting: Ryminister_92

Before the injury, services had Ritchie ranked in the top 10. The Avs took a value gamble on him playing through it and have seemed to win so far. So, to further your argument, Ritchie is outperforming his draft slot

26 janv. à 20 h 28

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Quoting: Ryminister_92

Feel like Colorado would just be smarter to spend 2 1sts and go get Boone Jenner from Columbus and roll with the guy under contract for longer and cheaper

Maybe, and I've made a Jenner roster, but there are pitfalls to him as well. Lindholm is simply better than Jenner and that's what this roster focuses on.

26 janv. à 20 h 30

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Quoting: TJTwolf

Two firsts (Gulyayev & Ritchie), a second (Behrens), a THIRD, and a 'RyJo cap dump' for 35-50 games of Lindholm......it gets worse the more you look at it.

If the Avs were guaranteed to win the Cup, it wouldn't matter. Or, as Eric Lacroix said: "what would you be willing to do if you knew you were guaranteed to win?"

26 janv. à 20 h 31

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Quoting: earl08

If the Avs were guaranteed to win the Cup, it wouldn't matter

Except they won't be so it does.

26 janv. à 20 h 35

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Except they won't be so it does.

If I'm being forced to cheer for Zach Parise, then I want Lindholm, lol.

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