There's a lot of value in him for sure and his cap-hit is one of them. He's not young, but he's not old, however he's closer to aging out. I think some mix of a 1st, prospect and a roster player (for cap purposes) would be fair in a deal. I just think comparing rental trades to hockey trades, especially ones that are a few years out isn't the best litmus.

I'm assuming this discussion pops up again because of Dreger's report, where he explicitly stated Jenner isn't available. Welcome to the never-ending discussion.

The value I'd put on him in 'pure value' as a tweener 2/3C (not a term I like but he's not really a true 2C but an exemplary 3C or a very good 2LW) is probably a 1st, 3rd and prospect, something in that line, mostly because of his term and low cap hit adding to his value. His intrinsic value is far harder to calculate. Probably looking closer to 1st, 2nd, roster player (probably necessary for most teams for cap puproses anyway) and prospect. Add in a premium for it being divisional and it goes up some more......you don't have to like it, but if you were that desperate to prise him out of there then that's likely where you're headed. I balked at it myself when Jenner was being discussed for the Avs, and that was without an inter-divisional premium.

First off, scrap the attitude. I did a perfectly fine disclaimer in the description WHICH YOU CLEARLY DIDN'T READ.

Second, just be happy anyone is even talking about the Jackets. They are one of the worst run teams in hockey and probably won't be a playoff team for another decade.

Third, that offer is absolutely absurd.

While I concede for the Jackets to move him would take a SLIGHT overpay, it would be slight. That return your showing is for an elite player, so stop it.

The attitude wasn't for you, it's for the dozens of other people who do Jenner ACGMs every day who will inevitably read this. Just wanted to make it clear that he's not available now and no insiders are suggesting otherwise.

I'd add that the Pens are probably one of the worst destinations for a Jenner trade on account 1) you've already got two generational centers, and 2) the assets aren't there or likely to be traded for more help now. Doesn't make sense.

You asked what he's worth, I gave you a good-faith multi-paragraph explanation with examples of why I think he's worth that. Sorry I wasted your time and thank you for giving our lowly team your brainspace, your majesty. Please tell the Penguins to show us some mercy. This is why most fans just resort to "Jenner isn't available", it's 80% of AGCMs on here.

FWIW, he's not an elite player, but he is a top-6 player with an elite contract and insane market.

As a pens fan, I’d probably send Reilly Smith 50% retained (obviously with the idea that they flip him back to Vegas[most likely retaining the additional 25%] so Smith agrees to waive), POJ, 2nd, and a 3rd. That’s probably the most I’d be willing to give up for him. I know the jackets fans will say multiple 1sts, Yager, Pickering, and Crosby’s left nut, but I just don’t think that is realistic. I doubt they’d trade Jenner being he still has 2 years left after this one unfortunately just because they are terribly run. Anyone can see they are way far away from playoff contention, much less cup contention and should trade a lot of their older talent and speed up the rebuild.

I'm assuming this discussion pops up again because of Dreger's report, where he explicitly stated Jenner isn't available. Welcome to the never-ending discussion.

The long: he's a captain on a sweetheart deal with term who's producing well with a unique, valuable skillset. The keys to his value are:
1) he's a decent 2C, great 3C, which every playoff team needs
2) He's on an amazing deal that every playoff team could accommodate
3) His great deal has term, so he's not a rental, which every playoff team with aspirations of competing beyond just this year loves.
4) His current team signed him to said sweetheart deal specifically to keep him around, and has no desire to move him.

Each of those bump his value up since you have to convince Columbus to move him, then beat out every other contender's offer. It's not like he's a depressed asset we have to move that only has a handful of landing spots. The argument is never "Jenner is one of the best centers in the league, pay us for him!", it's "Jenner has a huge market and fills a need for tons of teams, and that spikes his value regardless of his (still good) production, that's what you're overpaying for."

He's a Horvat style player who wins faceoffs like Lindholm and scores goals like Pavelski, but you can have him for this year and the next two at current Evan Bouchard money if you make a good enough offer to convince Columbus it's worth moving their unicorn.

You'll see people argue anything ranging from "expiring 3C UFA with 15 points" offers to "star 1C for the rest of time" demands. I think in reality, the Horvat deal + ??? is a decent comp: 1st, roster player/pick, good prospect. If Columbus deals him, we need a legitimate shot at replacing him soon coming back, so center prospects are preferred. Because of the deal, roster player/pick -> 2nd-equivalent, and good prospect -> top prospect.

So, IMO, it takes: 1st, 2nd, A+/top prospect to land him.

For Pittsburgh specifically, I don't think there's an A+ prospect in the organization, and we definitely don't want to see him in Pittsburgh ever (main rival in-division), so the price goes up more...so 2024 2nd, 2025 1st, and 2026 1st, all unprotected.