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ALL IN FOR PARAYKO

Créé par: SwarmChair
Équipe: 2023-24 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 25 janv. 2024
Publié: 25 janv. 2024
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Oilers will spend a high cost for Colton Parayko. Could a mini rebuild be in the cards for the Blues if they miss the playoffs?

Oilers will send:
1st round pick (2024)
Broberg (2019 8thOA 1st round pick prospect)
Bourgault (2022 22ndOA 1st round pick prospect)
3rd rd pick (2025)
Ceci (4RD that can be flipped for additional futures to help balance the Cap)
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STL
  1. Bourgault, Xavier
  2. Broberg, Philip
  3. Ceci, Cody
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
  5. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (EDM)
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2183 500 000 $85 891 667 $850 000 $4 200 000 $-2 391 667 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 3
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12 500 000 $12 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 5
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5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 6
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8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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775 000 $775 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 225 000 $$3M)
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
C
RFA - 2
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775 000 $775 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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900 000 $900 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
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775 000 $775 000 $ (Bonis de performance325 000 $$325K)
AD
UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance650 000 $$650K)
AG, C
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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9 250 000 $9 250 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 7
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3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
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2 600 000 $2 600 000 $
G
UFA - 3
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 3
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762 500 $762 500 $
G
UFA - 1
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 7
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762 500 $762 500 $
DD
UFA - 1
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 3

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25 janv. à 16 h 22
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Well, at least you didn't ask for retention. Still not gonna happen, bud.
25 janv. à 16 h 34
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Quoting: mokumboi
Well, at least you didn't ask for retention. Still not gonna happen, bud.


No retention. What’s needed to make it happen?
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Well, at least you didn't ask for retention. Still not gonna happen, bud.


Who in their right mind is offering more for Parayko? The term and injury risk alone makes that a very difficult contract to move.
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25 janv. à 16 h 37
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Oilers decline
25 janv. à 16 h 48
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
Who in their right mind is offering more for Parayko? The term and injury risk alone makes that a very difficult contract to move.


He's not available. Nobody is asking for more (and frankly this offer is one that would require them to do so). "He's not available" is not the same thing as asking for more. We keep saying this over and over. For years now.


Quoting: SwarmChair
No retention. What’s needed to make it happen?


It's not a question of value or this or that or whatever. He's not for sale.
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25 janv. à 17 h 7
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That is a massive haul for him, even if he's not available I bet the blues strongly consider...
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25 janv. à 17 h 11
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That is a massive haul for him, even if he's not available I bet the blues strongly consider...


eh theres no premier piece in there so i dont think so
25 janv. à 17 h 21
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Trading Parayko moves the Blues into a scorched earth rebuild status. Effectively wasting most of the careers of Thomas and Kyrou.

There is no effective way to replace what Parayko brings to the team unless it's via draft. And drafting and developing a top end shutdown guy isn't necessarily easy.

We mostly know that nobody is going to give us the pieces that we would need in order to move Parayko, that's why we largely say he's not being moved.

Armstrong's plan is to be competitive again in the 26-27 timeline. Parayko very much has quite a few good years of hockey left in him. It's often overlooked too that his contract was front loaded. If he does fall off a cliff towards the last couple of years 35+ years he can easily be bought out if necessary although I don't see how it will be if the cap keeps rising.
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thats a decent return but without a #1 D coming from somewhere else then they decline
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25 janv. à 17 h 53
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Quoting: mokumboi
He's not available. Nobody is asking for more (and frankly this offer is one that would require them to do so). "He's not available" is not the same thing as asking for more. We keep saying this over and over. For years now.




It's not a question of value or this or that or whatever. He's not for sale.


Fair enough. But from a Blues perspective can I ask why he would not be available?
25 janv. à 17 h 53
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Quoting: AC14
Trading Parayko moves the Blues into a scorched earth rebuild status. Effectively wasting most of the careers of Thomas and Kyrou.

There is no effective way to replace what Parayko brings to the team unless it's via draft. And drafting and developing a top end shutdown guy isn't necessarily easy.

We mostly know that nobody is going to give us the pieces that we would need in order to move Parayko, that's why we largely say he's not being moved.

Armstrong's plan is to be competitive again in the 26-27 timeline. Parayko very much has quite a few good years of hockey left in him. It's often overlooked too that his contract was front loaded. If he does fall off a cliff towards the last couple of years 35+ years he can easily be bought out if necessary although I don't see how it will be if the cap keeps rising.


you know front loading the contract means the cap hit for a buy out is higher than normal right?
25 janv. à 17 h 56
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Quoting: AC14
Trading Parayko moves the Blues into a scorched earth rebuild status. Effectively wasting most of the careers of Thomas and Kyrou.

There is no effective way to replace what Parayko brings to the team unless it's via draft. And drafting and developing a top end shutdown guy isn't necessarily easy.

We mostly know that nobody is going to give us the pieces that we would need in order to move Parayko, that's why we largely say he's not being moved.

Armstrong's plan is to be competitive again in the 26-27 timeline. Parayko very much has quite a few good years of hockey left in him. It's often overlooked too that his contract was front loaded. If he does fall off a cliff towards the last couple of years 35+ years he can easily be bought out if necessary although I don't see how it will be if the cap keeps rising.


Thank you laying it out. I only seek to understand where the Blues are coming from and this makes total sense now.
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you know front loading the contract means the cap hit for a buy out is higher than normal right?


I think you're mistaking front-loading for back-diving. As long as the salary owed is less than the cap hit (and no bonuses are present), the buyout is always cheaper.

The contracts you're referring to have been illegal since the last lockout.
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25 janv. à 18 h 3
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I think you're mistaking front-loading for back-diving. As long as the salary owed is less than the cap hit (and no bonuses are present), the buyout is always cheaper.

The contracts you're referring to have been illegal since the last lockout.


if you look at his buy out is would regularly be just over 2 Million
since he had high base salary on the front end and lower on the back in those years his cap hit is 3.7M for the last 3 years of his deal.... so 1.7M more expensive to buy him out
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if you look at his buy out is would regularly be just over 2 Million
since he had high base salary on the front end and lower on the back in those years his cap hit is 3.7M for the last 3 years of his deal.... so 1.7M more expensive to buy him out


Two things:

1. You're assuming the buyout happens at the end of this season? The math looks totally different than what you present: it's about $550k for two years, $2.2M for a season, $3.7M as you identify from 2027 through 2030, then drops to about $2.05M for six years. I get the point that you're making (more expensive versus conventional contract) but the uber-expensive buyouts that you're referring to were the back-diving deals like what Crosby, Ovechkin, Keith, and Weber were signed to many moons ago. @AC14 sets up a scenario where it's likely to be only the +35 years that the buyout focuses on. I believe that sets up June 2028 as the timeframe to look at this buyout from.

2. The four years of Parayko's buyout in 2028 onward progress as:

2028-29: $3.3M
2029-30: $3.3M
2030-31: $1.6M
2031-32: $1.6M

As long as the buyout happens after 2026, there's no fluctuation to the cap hit Parayko's buyout holds.
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25 janv. à 18 h 19
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
Two things:

1. You're assuming the buyout happens at the end of this season? The math looks totally different than what you present: it's about $550k for two years, $2.2M for a season, $3.7M as you identify from 2027 through 2030, then drops to about $2.05M for six years. I get the point that you're making (more expensive versus conventional contract) but the uber-expensive buyouts that you're referring to were the back-diving deals like what Crosby, Ovechkin, Keith, and Weber were signed to many moons ago. AC14 sets up a scenario where it's likely to be only the +35 years that the buyout focuses on. I believe that sets up June 2028 as the timeframe to look at this buyout from.

2. The four years of Parayko's buyout in 2028 onward progress as:

2028-29: $3.3M
2029-30: $3.3M
2030-31: $1.6M
2031-32: $1.6M

As long as the buyout happens after 2026, there's no fluctuation to the cap hit Parayko's buyout holds.


yes you are right with the numbers on a later buy out. I missed the 35+ buyout date.

I wasnt referring to the back diving contracts just the bump in the last years of the actual contract are more expensive due to lower salary.(not the years after contract would be finished) as he talks about STL being competitive again in 2026 they buy out would not be as easy to digest as its a larger hit in those last couple years his contract actually runs.
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Quoting: SwarmChair
Fair enough. But from a Blues perspective can I ask why he would not be available?


I don't think people realize how much weight he carries, even when he's not playing his best. He is currently playing the best hockey of his career (regular season anyway), making his AAV a bargain for the time being and there is no one in the organization to replace him. He's also a team leader and beloved in the community. And when I say beloved in the community, I mean BELOVED.
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25 janv. à 18 h 49
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I love the idea of adding parayko hope Edmonton trades for him
25 janv. à 18 h 57
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Oilers are in no position to make this type of deal for 6 more years of Parayko! They need to resign Drai & Bouch in 2 seasons where will they get this money?
25 janv. à 19 h 51
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At least they did not offer Campbell, Broberg and a 3rd which is the new Standard Oiler offer for star players
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25 janv. à 20 h 8
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
Two things:

1. You're assuming the buyout happens at the end of this season? The math looks totally different than what you present: it's about $550k for two years, $2.2M for a season, $3.7M as you identify from 2027 through 2030, then drops to about $2.05M for six years. I get the point that you're making (more expensive versus conventional contract) but the uber-expensive buyouts that you're referring to were the back-diving deals like what Crosby, Ovechkin, Keith, and Weber were signed to many moons ago. AC14 sets up a scenario where it's likely to be only the +35 years that the buyout focuses on. I believe that sets up June 2028 as the timeframe to look at this buyout from.

2. The four years of Parayko's buyout in 2028 onward progress as:

2028-29: $3.3M
2029-30: $3.3M
2030-31: $1.6M
2031-32: $1.6M

As long as the buyout happens after 2026, there's no fluctuation to the cap hit Parayko's buyout holds.


Thank you for outlining that, I personally used the 2028 mark as a reference point as well when i was looking at it earlier. I fail to believe he will fall of a cliff at that point. Heck JBo played some of the best hockey of his career on that cup run when he was 35. But it is a good measure of safety that was added on to the contract for the sake of the Blues. It's also when his NTC moves into a modified NTC. Armstrong has structured alot of the contract for the Blues like this.

By the seasons in question at that mark we'd save virtually half the AAV for the 2 years and then only have a penalty of 1.6m for two extended years which is very doable. Armstrong usually doesn't do buyouts, but to act as if the contract is toxic as i've heard others around here state is false.
25 janv. à 21 h 5
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Quoting: mokumboi
I don't think people realize how much weight he carries, even when he's not playing his best. He is currently playing the best hockey of his career (regular season anyway), making his AAV a bargain for the time being and there is no one in the organization to replace him. He's also a team leader and beloved in the community. And when I say beloved in the community, I mean BELOVED.


Fair enough fair enough. We’d like to see the home town product come join us for a Cup run. So you can understand why we’d pay to try to pry him from you guys.
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