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Équipe: 2023-24 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 23 janv. 2024
Publié: 23 janv. 2024
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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  1. Chychrun, Jakob
  2. Kubalik, Dominik (1 250 000 $ retained)
  3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2024 (OTT)
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The idea behind the trade is considering what Ottawa gave up for Chychrun. 1 first and 2 2nds. Leafs give up their 1st, probably in the 15 to 20 range as the Leafs have a few holes and probably not ready to compete for cup. Similar range but slightly higher than Ottawa gave Arizona. Robertson was a 2nd rounder with good offense and top 9 forward, with potential to top 6. Hirvonen is still a prospect and 2nd round. Voit adds another prospect to system. That is a little more than 1 st, 2nds. The Timmins and kubalik is more 1 for 1 to give Ottawa a controllable young offensive defender help for depth while their prospect like JBD and Thompson grow. Brodie is part of a 3 way trade where Ottawa trades Brodie to a contender with 50% retained for a future 2nd/3rd round. That gives Ottawa 1 1st, 2 equal 2nds, and another 2nd for Chychrun which is more value that they gave.
Problem is Ottawa is a rival they may want higher rival tax with the package.
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  1. Brodie, TJ
  2. Robertson, Nicholas
  3. Timmins, Conor
  4. Voit, Ty
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
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Plus Roni Hirvonen,
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  1. Ellis, Max
  2. Petruzzelli, Keith
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
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  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (NYI)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (NYI)
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Leafs use Uncle Lou and his need for more scoring for a playoff push to advertise Bertuzzi and his return he got last year plus he playoff performance to squeeze a 1 st rounder back. Yes Bertuzzi production this year is nothing close to a 1st rounder I agree.
NYI
  1. Bertuzzi, Tyler (2 000 000 $ retained)
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23 janv. à 13 h 45
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This defense just isn't good enough at defending to win a cup.

-Rielly's great as a number 1, no issues there
-Liljegren is unproven on the top pair
-Chychrun isn't an amazing defensive defender
-Lyubushkin would be a number 6 on a true contending team
-Benoit is just having his first decent season ever, no one knows if it's gonna continue for much longer
-McCabe is very good, no problem there.

I don't think this defense gets them to a conference finals
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Quoting: WJC_Enthusiast
This defense just isn't good enough at defending to win a cup.

-Rielly's great as a number 1, no issues there
-Liljegren is unproven on the top pair
-Chychrun isn't an amazing defensive defender
-Lyubushkin would be a number 6 on a true contending team
-Benoit is just having his first decent season ever, no one knows if it's gonna continue for much longer
-McCabe is very good, no problem there.

I don't think this defense gets them to a conference finals


I agree, you read the description with Ottawa trade and I admit they probably end up in the 15 to 20 range pick for Ottawa.
Chychrun has another year, is a top 4 four defender that can move the puck. Aside from Rielly our best pick mover is Timmins. We need a puck mover on second pairing and power play. Plus he is cheap next year. This is more for next year. The Lyubushkin trade gives up very little to at least attempt a run this year with luck.

If Chychrun once fully healthy and improves the defensive play, we can resign him to a worthwhile deal after next year when Marner if he stays maybe gets about 1 million extra and Tavares has to resign for less to stay. Giving more cap room
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Leafs aren’t buying chychrun there won’t be any big moves done this deadline but sens likely decline anyways
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I agree, you read the description with Ottawa trade and I admit they probably end up in the 15 to 20 range pick for Ottawa.
Chychrun has another year, is a top 4 four defender that can move the puck. Aside from Rielly our best pick mover is Timmins. We need a puck mover on second pairing and power play. Plus he is cheap next year. This is more for next year. The Lyubushkin trade gives up very little to at least attempt a run this year with luck.

If Chychrun once fully healthy and improves the defensive play, we can resign him to a worthwhile deal after next year when Marner if he stays maybe gets about 1 million extra and Tavares has to resign for less to stay. Giving more cap room


I definitely agree they need another puck mover. And to improve that defense, they need to find a way to get Marner to wave his NMC. It's the only way in my opinion.
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Bertuzzi is no longer worth a first IMO plus Lou has a vaccine policy. Ask Bode Wilde about it lol. Bert not a target for us
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Leafs aren’t buying chychrun there won’t be any big moves done this deadline but sens likely decline anyways


They probably do as Sens would want more based on rival tax. The idea of the trade is actually much more than Ottawa gave up for Chychrun. The idea is Chychrun is a bold move to get a player on a decent contract top 4 for next year and possibly beyond. That itself makes it worth it.

But as you said, I don't think Ottawa accepts, thus the Leafs probably doing nothing at the deadline which I am absolutely fine with.
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Bertuzzi is no longer worth a first IMO plus Lou has a vaccine policy. Ask Bode Wilde about it lol. Bert not a target for us


I do agree Bert is not worth a first with his production this year. Lou tho has played his draft picks for odd trades before like a first plus for JG Pageau. As for the policies, yes Lou has his rules and that may be a rule breaker for Bert.
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They probably do as Sens would want more based on rival tax. The idea of the trade is actually much more than Ottawa gave up for Chychrun. The idea is Chychrun is a bold move to get a player on a decent contract top 4 for next year and possibly beyond. That itself makes it worth it.

But as you said, I don't think Ottawa accepts, thus the Leafs probably doing nothing at the deadline which I am absolutely fine with.


I would rather they sell then move the first makes zero sense this team isn’t winning anything this year, try again next season after a good offseason
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I definitely agree they need another puck mover. And to improve that defense, they need to find a way to get Marner to wave his NMC. It's the only way in my opinion.


Mitch is never waiving
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Mitch is never waiving


You never know
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I do agree Bert is not worth a first with his production this year. Lou tho has played his draft picks for odd trades before like a first plus for JG Pageau. As for the policies, yes Lou has his rules and that may be a rule breaker for Bert.


Pageau was extended at the time and 3C was a gaping hole for us. That trade made sense to me. I think Lou could deal the 1st again this year, just maybe not for Bert. I think a 2nd+Wahlstrom for Henrique is the move.
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I would rather they sell then move the first makes zero sense this team isn’t winning anything this year, try again next season after a good offseason


That is a good point. The 1st round pick though is 25% to 45% helpful and that's is 3/4 years. We need to get into contender status sooner. Chychrun provides us a top 4 with chances of resigning after next year. The only way I would agree to trades this year's 1st with for a younger defenseman with term like Chychrun. To be honest other than Chychrun I can't think of another than Boqvist and Boqvist is less proven than Chychrun which asks is it worth it.
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That is a good point. The 1st round pick though is 25% to 45% helpful and that's is 3/4 years. We need to get into contender status sooner. Chychrun provides us a top 4 with chances of resigning after next year. The only way I would agree to trades this year's 1st with for a younger defenseman with term like Chychrun. To be honest other than Chychrun I can't think of another than Boqvist and Boqvist is less proven than Chychrun which asks is it worth it.


They aren’t moving a first this season, they’ll draft a defender that will be ready in 3 years
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Mitch is never waiving


Even is Mitch waves, what do we get in return. We need a top dman plus a forward capable to somewhat producing what Mitch does in top 6. Which team is willing to deal that. The amount of similar trades are few and far between. There are rarely Matthew Tkachuk like trades.
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Even is Mitch waves, what do we get in return. We need a top dman plus a forward capable to somewhat producing what Mitch does in top 6. Which team is willing to deal that. The amount of similar trades are few and far between. There are rarely Matthew Tkachuk like trades.


It’s not gonna happen man
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They aren’t moving a first this season, they’ll draft a defender that will be ready in 3 years


As was said, I would be willing if it was Chychrun as Chychrun would be a similar defender maybe better now and future but otherwise I can't think of anyone else. Also Ottawa would want more (like another 1st, minten or Cowan) then I don't think it is worth it. This probably never happens.
I can't think of anyone else worth it, which makes it better to keep the first rounder.
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As was said, I would be willing if it was Chychrun as Chychrun would be a similar defender maybe better now and future but otherwise I can't think of anyone else. Also Ottawa would want more (like another 1st, minten or Cowan) then I don't think it is worth it. This probably never happens.
I can't think of anyone else worth it, which makes it better to keep the first rounder.


Leafs aren’t moving the first this season the season is lost get over it
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It’s not gonna happen man


Exactly. I agree!
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Leafs aren’t moving the first this season the season is lost get over it


Again, I agreed the season is lost. It is only worth it under the above conditions. Reality of that is slim. Because the idea is trading the 1st for Chychrun a top 4 under 5 million for next year with a tight salary cap.
Leafs to win this year need luck, luck, and more luck in multiple ways. Ottawa probably wants more, no way I am giving a 1st plus a top prospect like minten and more for Chychrun.
Then the best avenue is to keep the first rounder draft a defender as you said, and look to next year.
This is fantasy trades and where we can hope for the best. The reality 99% of trades are fiction and stand zero chane.
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Again, I agreed the season is lost. It is only worth it under the above conditions. Reality of that is slim. Because the idea is trading the 1st for Chychrun a top 4 under 5 million for next year with a tight salary cap.
Leafs to win this year need luck, luck, and more luck in multiple ways. Ottawa probably wants more, no way I am giving a 1st plus a top prospect like minten and more for Chychrun.
Then the best avenue is to keep the first rounder draft a defender as you said, and look to next year.
This is fantasy trades and where we can hope for the best. The reality 99% of trades are fiction and stand zero chane.


Very well said I can respect that
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Very well said I can respect that


Good arguments against. You gave good point as to why it is best for the Leafs to keep their first. If I was GM, I would look at Chychrun, see if the offer works ( probably not) but worth a shot. Then I would only look at trading Brodie. (At least it gets Keefe to stop relying on him in top minutes.) For a couple of picks.
Go into the playoffs and just hope for luck.
This year looks lost and over the offseason we can see if Keefe is worth it over Berube, Gallant,Boudreau, Woodcroft.
Then look at more 1 year trials and bringing up our youth as next year is another tight salary cap year.
Also without Chychrun, I keep the first for a defender in draft.
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Good arguments against. You gave good point as to why it is best for the Leafs to keep their first. If I was GM, I would look at Chychrun, see if the offer works ( probably not) but worth a shot. Then I would only look at trading Brodie. (At least it gets Keefe to stop relying on him in top minutes.) For a couple of picks.
Go into the playoffs and just hope for luck.
This year looks lost and over the offseason we can see if Keefe is worth it over Berube, Gallant,Boudreau, Woodcroft.
Then look at more 1 year trials and bringing up our youth as next year is another tight salary cap year.
Also without Chychrun, I keep the first for a defender in draft.


Yeah I’m big on Roy I think he’d be the perfect add he’s not old yet could even sign him 6x6 and it wouldn’t age poorly with the cap going up so much each year
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Yeah I’m big on Roy I think he’d be the perfect add he’s not old yet could even sign him 6x6 and it wouldn’t age poorly with the cap going up so much each year


I have wondered how much and if we could get Roy too. That could be a smart signing.
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I have wondered how much and if we could get Roy too. That could be a smart signing.


I imagine if you offer him 6x6 you get him all day long maybe could get him slightly less but why mess around with it he should be the number 1 target for next year
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