i think we keep chych and take the loss in a chabot trade. Get a defensive rhd and low 1st/high 2nd and go from there

A 1st and an overpaid decent 3rd liner would not be a loss lol

No way Leafs are giving away 2 first round picks.
Why would they do that?

Why would the Sens ever move Chychrun to Toronto without a major overpay

well my thoughts is something like fabbro +2 +4/5 or borgen+1st, I see some guys wanting a similar return of chychrun, which chabot is not as good as for a return. even those returns might be more than teams are willing to offer but keep chych.

Borgen and 2024 1st would be perfect.

Sanderson-Tanev
Chychrun-Zub
Kleven-Borgen

Is exactly the size we need in the lineup

I think csick is just pointing out that Toronto fans are sometimes guilty of trying to raid the pantry of every team who is out of PO contention by offering late first rounders and whatever prospects they've managed to scrap together the last few years.

Very common on Hockey Twitter/X also, they try and will in to existence trades for players who are off the block with underwhelming offers.

There's been talks that Chychrun might get traded by OTT.

He's more so pointing out what an inter-division trade between two rivals would look like, especially one that includes a young star coupled with the fact that both teams are looking to compete for the foreseeable future. I don't think Ottawa would do the trade for just Liljegren+ and two 1st picks, they would probably want certain prospects like Cowan or Minten (as suggested in the trade description) instead of at least one of those firsts. Unless of course, they are super high on Liljegren or believe that he's exactly what they need instead of Chychrun.

There's speculation because teams are calling about him. I don't blame teams seeing what it will take.

It'll take A LOT unfortunately, and the trade above is in the right ballpark.

We don't want to see Niemela, Robertson and 2nd anymore lol

Lilly - 21 gp - 8 pts - 49 blks - 25 hits - 2 takeaways - 12 giveaways 1.4 mill x 1 RFA

Chychrun - 36 gp - 26 pts - 56 blks - 17 hits - 8 takeaways and 37 giveaways 4.6 mill x 2 ufa

there is not that much of a gap and lilly is an RFA lol this is a dumb proposal.

Yeah, who knows? Depends on what his availability really is, I feel like insiders often try to stir the market sometimes especially when there might be a reason for a team to trade a player. I don't see why Staois would want to trade Chychrun at this point unless he's justifiably worried that he might not re-sign or he gets an offer that improves his team. The return would then really depend on that, I don't disagree with the value of the return suggested was just saying I don't see the motivation for OTT to just want two draft picks, unless the main target of the trade is Liljegren and the picks are just there to balance out the value. If Liljegren is just being viewed as a good/useful roster that is a fit but isn't a must-have. then the trade just seems like Ottawa trying to recuperate their assets which would only make sense if Chychrun wants out/they expect him to want out. Even then I highly doubt he would end up in Toronto even if the Leafs were willing to pay up to some extent.

I feel like there's usually a 1st in there at least but unfortunately, you'll probably keep on seeing underwhelming packages.

From Toronto's perspective, I don't see why they would move Liljegren, even if they wanted Chychrun. The Leafs should be looking to add to their dcore without subtracting guys who are contributing now and one of the few guys who is young on their blueline.

so a 5-6 dman and a 2 late first for a #1 dman to a hated DIVISIONAL rival, ya your insane. no chance in hell OTT does this.

OTT will get more for chych as a rental....

haha you might want to put the bong down drugs are bad kids.