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Yeah, without nylander they can sign and trade for a bunch of not very good players like this and be a worse team

You're missing a first for Ferraro. Sharks are selling high or not selling at all

He gets ragged on way too hard on here by people who don't actually watch him play and just look at his +/-, also by cynical Sharks fans who want to make everything a pity party and say everyone on the the team sucks

I mean regardless of his play (i am a Ferraro truther) The org has said he would be “expensive”

I don't think it's a mistake at all. Leafs drafted and developed Nylander. He became exactly what they thought he would be. How dare they re-sign him for market value! The vulgarity of it!

But any other team re-signs its own star player and no one says anything. 🤔

For that crap offer SJ will just keep Ferraro.

Exactly, while yes paying what projections are said to be is hard. But reality is what realistic trade offer from a team will give us a true top 4 dman and a consistent 60-80 winger capable of 30+ goals. The only way a Nylander trade works for us is to get that in return. Just a top 4 dman and we lose 80+ points a year. That offense will be hard to replicate. Also said top 4 dman will most likely be a younger projected top 4 dman meaning no guarantee he would be worth it.
Now you need to resign and Nylander is a very good player and very smart. He knows he can produce and get better and bet on himself.
Now resigning looks to be north of 10 million and many teams are gearing up to offer closer to 12 million for him. This makes resigning a priority that both helps and yet hurts as yes 11 million is very tough to stomach all considered but what choice is there.

Wait....did you look at his +/- before saying this? Because you probably should have. Not that it's a great indicator of success but if you are "the shutdown" guy on a team that allows as many goals as the Sharks do, it's probably a good indicator on whether or not you can in fact shut down anyone. Spoiler he can't and doesn't. He's a 3rd pair guy on a good team. That isn't worth a 1st.

Very true. The funniest will be how literally every non leaf fan who has been saying he deserves at least 11 will all immediately say he's over paid and overrated.

lmao thank you for reinforcing my point. I'm aware that his +/- sucks, as does the entire team's since he came into the league. Look at his even strength differential when playing with an actual competent D-partner. He was even +/- playing with EK65 last year on a -87 differential team. He was +3 playing with Burns on -50 differential team in 21-22. +5 playing with Burns in 20-21 on a -48 team in a shortened 20-21 season.

So thank you for proving that you've never seen him play and are just going off the ridiculous narratives that exist around him. He's also not a shutdown D. He's a very good skater and puck handler, but is just very passive when it comes to shooting and joining the rush too often. He's much more of a 2-way D

So you are saying he's not terrible when carried by an all star partner? You really aren't selling this very well sir.

The reality is, San Jose is bad because they don't have very good players. A guy being forced to play big minutes on the worst team in the league is a big reason why said team is the worst. If Ferraro was a difference maker, he'd be making a difference, which he very clearly does not.

You can watch him this weekend, but there's a reason why he's talked about around the league and why he's in every other ACGM from leafs fans. He's better than most of the leafs d-core that for damn sure.

So him getting caved in is everyone else's fault. Used car salesmanship at its finest.

All I'm saying is watch him play because you clearly haven't. I showed with real numbers that he's a great player and you just have zero idea what you're talking about. You're just looking at +/- He literally entered the league during the rebuild and has played with 19 d-partners in the last 3 years alone

Sure buddy. When Willy and Matthews have no issues wrecking him, we'll have our answer. He's not a terrible player by any stretch but he certainly is not a top 4 minute muncher. He's just the best option in SJ. Anywhere else he's bottom pair.

Not me. Nylander is one of the best scoring wingers in the NHL. He's right in his prime. He's been underpaid for years. Now he'll get what he deserves.

Once he was a UFA they had to give him what he wanted. You don't let players walk for free.

The mistake was not getting 8 years when they owned his RFA rights and walking him to UFA, and then not resigning him this offseaso

It's funny how Ferraro is apparently so bad and useless yet so many teams fans want him in their top 4D.

Why would you want a bad player? LOL

You can't have it both ways. Say he sucks to lower his value. Then throw a hissy fit when the GM laughs and says no.

The Sharks are indeed bad. They are rebuilding. But for any fan to suggest one player is responsible for it is ignorant.

And using plus/minus as proof is weak. Playing big minutes on a bad team is going to effect your plus/minus.

Sharks will just keep Ferraro if they're going to get nothing but lowball offers. Grier doesn't HAVE to trade him at all.

Agreed. Leafs could've re-signed Nylander much earlier and got him cheaper. He bet on himself and won.

Leafs know that. But in the end they're doing the right thing by keeping him. They'd never get fair market value for him in a trade because he's a rental.

Look if you as a leafs fan don't want Ferraro, then that's fine. Leafs can continue giving up the 11th most goals per game and get bounced again in the first round. Seems like they have their defense all figured out /s

Ferraro has been on the ice for 30 more goals this season than any maple leaf defenceman. 78 goals against with Ferraro on the ice, Rielly is the worst for TO and he's been on the ice for 48 goals against. 78 is a shockingly high number. So how is he better than all leaf defenceman?

Oh idk maybe because TO is supposed to be a top 5 team and the Sharks are literally the worst team in the league? Again, I'll happily keep Ferraro, and apparently you're satisfied with an awful TO D-core sko it doesn't really matter

I am trying to follow the logic here. Ferraro is better than all Leaf defenders and the leafs defenders are the reason they have allowed the 11 most goals. And the real life fact that Ferraro has been on the ice for 78 goals against this season means he's better. You have put yourself in a deep hole sir