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If rebuild starts V3

Créé par: vbolshakov
Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 22 déc. 2023
Publié: 25 déc. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
1.
PIT
  1. Clarke, Graeme
  2. Vanecek, Vitek
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (NJD)
NJD
  1. Jarry, Tristan (1 375 000 $ retained)
2.
PIT
  1. Lysell, Fabian
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (BOS)
BOS
  1. Guentzel, Jake (3 000 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Guentzel signes 7x8MM
3.
STL
    waiver
    4.
    PIT
    1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
    2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (NJD)
    3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (NJD)
    5.
    PIT
    1. Choix de 7e ronde en 2024 (VAN)
    6.
    PIT
    1. Choix de 6e ronde en 2024 (COL)
    7.
    PIT
    1. Raanta, Antti
    2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PHI)
    8.
    PIT
    1. Choix de 7e ronde en 2024 (MIN)
    Rachats de contrats
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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    2024
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    2025
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    Logo de NJD
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    Logo de PIT
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    Logo de NJD
    Logo de PIT
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    2026
    Logo de PIT
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    Logo de SJS
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2583 500 000 $77 166 666 $0 $57 500 $6 333 334 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    8 700 000 $8 700 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Devils du New Jersey
    850 833 $850 833 $ (Bonis de performance57 500 $$58K)
    AD, C
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    775 000 $775 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    2 450 000 $2 450 000 $
    C
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    AD, AG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 5
    Logo de Blues de St-Louis
    2 625 000 $2 625 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    6 100 000 $6 100 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    775 000 $775 000 $
    AD, AG
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    863 333 $863 333 $
    C, AG
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
    C, AD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Bruins de Boston
    863 333 $863 333 $
    AD
    RFA - 3
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    900 000 $900 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    3 125 000 $3 125 000 $
    AD, C
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
    DG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 6
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    10 000 000 $10 000 000 $
    DD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Devils du New Jersey
    3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    825 000 $825 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    6 100 000 $6 100 000 $
    DD
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Logo de Hurricanes de la Caroline
    1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    775 000 $775 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    775 000 $775 000 $
    DG/DD
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    785 000 $785 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    775 000 $775 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    850 000 $850 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
    AD, AG
    NMC
    UFA - 5

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    25 déc. 2023 à 17 h 48
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    I feel like Jarry ought to be worth less than that. If that's the ask, I'd rather go after Gibson or Markstrom. The retention makes it at least worth considering

    Devils will be far more interested in Nedeljkovic
    25 déc. 2023 à 17 h 56
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    I have a feeling Canucks might accept this trade.
    25 déc. 2023 à 18 h 21
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    I feel like Jarry ought to be worth less than that. If that's the ask, I'd rather go after Gibson or Markstrom. The retention makes it at least worth considering

    Devils will be far more interested in Nedeljkovic


    Jarry is better and 2/5 years younger than Gibson and Jarry respectively.
    25 déc. 2023 à 18 h 21
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    I’d do that in a heartbeat as NJD
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    25 déc. 2023 à 20 h 0
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    Quoting: dgibb10
    Jarry is better and 2/5 years younger than Gibson and Jarry respectively.


    Jarry is just too inconsistent. I'd rather rent Ned and readdress it in the summer
    25 déc. 2023 à 20 h 42
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    Uhhh Vrana already cleared but 👍🏻
    25 déc. 2023 à 20 h 43
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    The 4th trade is VERY undervalued. Petterson is worth much more than that.
    25 déc. 2023 à 21 h 50
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    Quoting: Victor24
    The 4th trade is VERY undervalued. Petterson is worth much more than that.


    Everyone overvalues their teams players...

    CBJ paid a mid-1st and 2nd for Provorov @ 4.725M, 3 years remaining (UFA)

    VAN paid a mid-1st and 2nd for Hronek @ 4.4M, 2 years remaining (RFA)

    OTT paid a mid-1st, mid-2nd, and 2026 2nd for Chychrun @ 4.6M, 3 years remaining (UFA)

    LAK paid a late-1st and 3rd for Gavrikov @ 2.8M rental (UFA)

    BOS paid a very late-1st, and two very late 2nds for Lindholm @ 2.6M rental (UFA)

    An offer of a mid-1st, 3rd, and 4th is pretty fair for Pettersson @ 4.025M with 2 years remaining
    25 déc. 2023 à 23 h 49
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    Not far off IMO. Maybe drop the 3rd and idt Pittsburgh would be retaining for that many years
    26 déc. 2023 à 11 h 47
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    Quoting: westleysnipez
    Everyone overvalues their teams players...

    CBJ paid a mid-1st and 2nd for Provorov 4.725M, 3 years remaining (UFA)

    VAN paid a mid-1st and 2nd for Hronek 4.4M, 2 years remaining (RFA)

    OTT paid a mid-1st, mid-2nd, and 2026 2nd for Chychrun 4.6M, 3 years remaining (UFA)

    LAK paid a late-1st and 3rd for Gavrikov 2.8M rental (UFA)

    BOS paid a very late-1st, and two very late 2nds for Lindholm 2.6M rental (UFA)

    An offer of a mid-1st, 3rd, and 4th is pretty fair for Pettersson 4.025M with 2 years remaining


    Maybe. Let's look at the data for the guys in the year they were traded.

    Provorov:
    Points per 60: 0.70
    Goal% with most common pair: 39.5% (54th in NHL)
    Corsi: 47%

    Hronek (before trade):
    Points per 60: 0.89
    Goal% with most common pair: 54.4% (24th in NHL)
    Corsi: 46%

    Chychrun
    Points per 60: 1.44
    Goal% with most common pair: 59.6% (12th in NHL)
    Corsi: 51%

    Gavrikov
    Points per 60: 0.61
    Goal% with most common pair: 43.4% (49th in NHL)
    Corsi: 48%

    Lindholm:
    Points per 60: 0.71
    Goal% with most common pair: 46.5% (40th in NHL)
    Corsi: 50%

    Now let's look at Pettersson:
    Points per 60: 0.91
    Goal% with most common pair: 70.3% (1st in NHL)
    Corsi: 52%

    So Pettersson has been better at scoring points than everyone but Chychrun, has a better Corsi and a better %goals on the ice than every other example you named. And you made him worth less than all of them.

    Pettersson is worth a mid 1st and an A prospect. If the Pens are still even remotely in it, the price will be higher than that even. Retention adds even more.

    The best comp is Chychrun and he was traded for: a 1st (12th overall), a conditional 1st (that turned into a 2nd), and another 2nd. And most pundits agreed it was an underpay.
    26 déc. 2023 à 14 h 28
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    It’s always tough when players are paired with others to know what the true value was.

    Gavrikov came with Korpisalo

    Lindholm had a salary dump in Moore that cost them an additional second round pick.

    But yeah … it’s always interesting to see how these trades play out. They are rarely as one sided as the Cap Friendly deals are
    26 déc. 2023 à 17 h 12
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    Quoting: Victor24
    Maybe. Let's look at the data for the guys in the year they were traded.

    Provorov:
    Points per 60: 0.70
    Goal% with most common pair: 39.5% (54th in NHL)
    Corsi: 47%

    Hronek (before trade):
    Points per 60: 0.89
    Goal% with most common pair: 54.4% (24th in NHL)
    Corsi: 46%

    Chychrun
    Points per 60: 1.44
    Goal% with most common pair: 59.6% (12th in NHL)
    Corsi: 51%

    Gavrikov
    Points per 60: 0.61
    Goal% with most common pair: 43.4% (49th in NHL)
    Corsi: 48%

    Lindholm:
    Points per 60: 0.71
    Goal% with most common pair: 46.5% (40th in NHL)
    Corsi: 50%

    Now let's look at Pettersson:
    Points per 60: 0.91
    Goal% with most common pair: 70.3% (1st in NHL)
    Corsi: 52%

    So Pettersson has been better at scoring points than everyone but Chychrun, has a better Corsi and a better %goals on the ice than every other example you named. And you made him worth less than all of them.

    Pettersson is worth a mid 1st and an A prospect. If the Pens are still even remotely in it, the price will be higher than that even. Retention adds even more.

    The best comp is Chychrun and he was traded for: a 1st (12th overall), a conditional 1st (that turned into a 2nd), and another 2nd. And most pundits agreed it was an underpay.


    No team is going to base the value on that alone. It's clear to anyone whose watched hockey for five minutes, if you put a guy with a 3-time (and most recent) Norris winner, they're going to have better scoring stats. Would Pettersson have that same statistic on a line with someone like Pietrangelo, Larsson, or Pulock? No, he wouldnt. That's why you compare the common stats, you'll get reasonable value. Every once in a while a Chiarot or Jeannot type trade comes along, and everyone knows those are the outliers.

    A 1st + A tier prospect is slight overlay, but reasonable with 50% retention, but a ridiculous overpay without.
     
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