absolutely love how you used a sample size from last year without referencing games played. hilarious

You're higher than a satellite if you think this gets Stamkos

you mean im high to think that nylander is better and younger than stamkos, which he is? are you higher than a satellite?

I think NJ one is the least harmful (aside from the fact that NJ probably wins multiple Cups). Sure, they are giving away a generational goal scorer and top 5 player in the League, but at least they are getting a good defensive C with term and good contract in Hischier and a highly touted RHD with top 2 potential, and Matthews is at least going to the other division. I don't think the FLR deal helps them improve right away, but once they re-sign Marner to a ~10M deal, they will likely find replacements for those guys, and maybe Bennett would find his way back since what makes him so effective now is the way he's playing in the FLR system. Nylander for Stamkos would help TB's longevity. So, even if Nemec becomes a top-10 defender the Leafs are probably fitting for a WC spot at the end of this just because TB and FLR are probably bound to get stronger.

A Stamkos has guaranteed he's not waiving .
B No he isn't better
C no chance TB has the cap space to resign him where Stamkos will likely sign much cheaper to stay as he's made it clear is his top choice. So no you're higher than a satellite snoop wants his title of highest on the planet back.

They could find a taker for Sheary perhaps, giving them 5M for 5 guys, so it's not out of the realm of possibility.

Keep him. NJD will keep their cap structure

and the leafs will one of the best players in the world

A. thats fair
B. lol this isnt 2013, nylanders younger, better, waaaay less injury prone
C. fair

I understand the trade not making sense, nut nylander is better at this point in his career,

NJD isn't looking for a new 2C so we're very happy about that

see now thats funny

Drastic ...

Not sure this team is better.

What's funny?

Hughes is 4 years younger, has 5 more points in 5 less games this year, cheaper, and was better last year too.

Personally I'd take the guy who's better this year, was better last year, and is still improving

Nylander is unequivocally better right now. The issue is that Tampa couldn't afford to resign him.

ill take the guy whos been doing it for his whole career over a guy whos been doing it for 2 years. pretty easy actually, tell me why hes cheaper lmao

Since the start of the 21/22 season
Stamkos 188gp 86g 130a 216pts 55% on face-offs
Nylander 188gp 84 g 114a 198pts is a winger who doesn't take face-offs. Where has he been better?

Because NJD signed him when he was 19 years old before his breakout.

Jack age 20 season:
49 games 56 points 26 goals (48 goal 110 point pace after the christmas break)
Matthews age 20 season
62 games 63 points 34 goals
Jack age 21 season:
78 games 43 goals 99 points
Matthews age 21 season:
68 games 37 goals 73 points
Hughes age 22 season
20 games, 10 goals, 33 points
Matthews age 22 season:
70 games, 47 goals, 80 points

Seems like Jack is a step ahead. Much better defensively than matthews at that age too

Again, Jack better this year, Jack better last year, Jack still improving while matthews has peaked

Since the start of 21/22 season
Nylander 188gp 84g 114a198p
Stamkos 188gp 86g. 130a 216pts and he's a 55% faceoff guy no he isn't better I'd even ague he's not quite as good. Stamkos is very good faceoff guy and less of a defensive liability.

why leave ages 18 and 19? i know it doesnt fit your narrative, the reason hes cheaper is because he wasnt good at all his first 2 years, while matthews has been great, jack was not bettter than matthews defensively. dont worry though, it will be cool to see jack play on matthews wing next international competition

Because players age 18 and 19 seasons aren't particularly indicative of their futures in the NHL. If you want to argue matthews was better than teenage jack, go ahead.

Matthews had horrific defensive metrics until his age 23 season.

But again, Jack was better last year, Jack's been better this year.

2021-22 season is the only season in that time frame that Stamkos has out done Nylander, albeit it by a large margin. So, Nylander has been better last year and this year.

It's clear that Stamkos is trending down, and Nylander is trending up. Even if Nylander is just having a really good season this year, he's at least just as good as Stamkos. The points that you made are reasons why the trade wouldn't happen, but your original comment suggested that giving Nylander for Stamkos wasn't enough to land him which is ridiculous since he's just as good (if not better at this point in time) and 5-years younger.

Stamkos 84pts in 81 Nylander 87 in 82 ohh the. Massive difference . And again Stamkos is a top faceoff guy and less of a defensive liability and isn't marshmallow soft like softlander

or it doesnt fit your narrative, those seasons are why hes cheaper, nothing else. auston had a selke vote his rookie year. always near the top of the leagues in takeaways, led the nhl in blocked shots among forwards with missing games

nothing wrong with jack being the 2nd best american

Selke votes lol.

Blocked Shots and Takeaways aren't particularly meaningful.

He gave up a ****ton of chances against. Cleaned it up in 20-21 and 21-22, but now is back to giving up lots of chances.

Do you think I'm upset that NJD has Jack at 64 mill over 8 years while the leafs paid/are paying matthews 111 mill over 9 years.