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If youre not getting full value for Kuz dont trade him

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Équipe: 2023-24 Canucks de Vancouver
Date de création initiale: 10 déc. 2023
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10 déc. 2023 à 17 h 24
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Both teams decline.
10 déc. 2023 à 17 h 24
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I think Seattle wants a touch more at least a 3rd
10 déc. 2023 à 17 h 26
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Gotta love Canucks fans. Underperforming overpaid winger for top pairing RHD on value contract, for sure. And a division rival to boot 😅
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10 déc. 2023 à 17 h 29
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What does Vancouver need/ want for Kuzmenko?
I would consider him for the sharks! Think him and Barabanov would be a nice pairing with Hertl.
10 déc. 2023 à 17 h 38
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Gotta love Canucks fans. Underperforming overpaid winger for top pairing RHD on value contract, for sure. And a division rival to boot 😅


Adam larsson has underpreformed this year as well. Kuzmenko is a very high skill winger who can score at a 70 point pace for under $6 million. That’s not over paid lol

The whole point of this AGM is that the Canucks shouldn’t trade kuzmenko if his perceived value is anything lower than a top 4 Dman simply because he is slumping right now.

If the Canucks aren’t getting an Adam larsson type player, they shouldn’t trade him
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10 déc. 2023 à 17 h 39
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Adam larsson has underpreformed this year as well. Kuzmenko is a very high skill winger who can score at a 70 point pace for under $6 million. That’s not over paid lol

The whole point of this AGM is that the Canucks shouldn’t trade kuzmenko if his perceived value is anything lower than a top 4 Dman simply because he is slumping right now.

If the Canucks aren’t getting an Adam larsson type player, they shouldn’t trade him


He can score 70 if he gets a 30% shooting%
10 déc. 2023 à 17 h 42
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Adam larsson has underpreformed this year as well. Kuzmenko is a very high skill winger who can score at a 70 point pace for under $6 million. That’s not over paid lol

The whole point of this AGM is that the Canucks shouldn’t trade kuzmenko if his perceived value is anything lower than a top 4 Dman simply because he is slumping right now.

If the Canucks aren’t getting an Adam larsson type player, they shouldn’t trade him


Maybe he can, but he isn’t this year - on pace for 13 goals. And he hit that number last year with an almost record setting shooting % (aka lucky). No problem if Canucks want to keep him - i mean you just signed him to extension but expecting a top pairing RHD (hardest position to fill) on a value contract from a divisional rival seems like a stretch 🤷🏻
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10 déc. 2023 à 18 h 3
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Maybe he can, but he isn’t this year - on pace for 13 goals. And he hit that number last year with an almost record setting shooting % (aka lucky). No problem if Canucks want to keep him - i mean you just signed him to extension but expecting a top pairing RHD (hardest position to fill) on a value contract from a divisional rival seems like a stretch 🤷🏻


I think you’re overrating Adam larsson and underestimating kuzmenko.

Kuzmenko has 89 points in 106 career games which is a 69 point pace.

He has been a ~70 point player over the course of his career. You’re using shooting percentage as the only thing to discredit him.

Larsson might be a top pairing Dman on Seattle but on a good team he would be a 3/4.
10 déc. 2023 à 18 h 19
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I think you’re overrating Adam larsson and underestimating kuzmenko.

Kuzmenko has 89 points in 106 career games which is a 69 point pace.

He has been a ~70 point player over the course of his career. You’re using shooting percentage as the only thing to discredit him.

Larsson might be a top pairing Dman on Seattle but on a good team he would be a 3/4.


Not the only thing; he’s only had 1+ seasons in big leagues and he’s on pace for 13 goals in year 2. Maybe Larson is 2nd pairing but top 4 RHD making $4M is worth more than a winger making $5.5M with one good year and one bad (so far)
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10 déc. 2023 à 19 h 56
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I think you’re overrating Adam larsson and underestimating kuzmenko.

Kuzmenko has 89 points in 106 career games which is a 69 point pace.

He has been a ~70 point player over the course of his career. You’re using shooting percentage as the only thing to discredit him.

Larsson might be a top pairing Dman on Seattle but on a good team he would be a 3/4.


With a normal shooting% (even setting him hit at a very high rate of 15%), thats a pace of 57 points/82.

You want to know how much 60 point wingers making 5+ mill get? Look at reilly smith
10 déc. 2023 à 20 h 3
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What does Vancouver need/ want for Kuzmenko?
I would consider him for the sharks! Think him and Barabanov would be a nice pairing with Hertl.


The downside of tanking as hard as the sharks have is you literally have nothing anyone would want.
10 déc. 2023 à 22 h 59
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Feels like we've been down this road before Miller (didn't move him), Boeser (didn't move him). If, and thats a big if, they do move him, it will be for something Allvin values in return. Not a desperation move.
11 déc. 2023 à 5 h 13
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The downside of tanking as hard as the sharks have is you literally have nothing anyone would want.


Re wind a second and take a look! Sharks are over 500 since you guys put 10 on us 8-7-2 and have been better than expected!
11 déc. 2023 à 6 h 2
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Quoting: MitchJr
Gotta love Canucks fans. Underperforming overpaid winger for top pairing RHD on value contract, for sure. And a division rival to boot 😅


Larsson is a 2nd pairing defender on a contending team at best
11 déc. 2023 à 13 h 25
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Re wind a second and take a look! Sharks are over 500 since you guys put 10 on us 8-7-2 and have been better than expected!


I know. It is remarkable. I expect you'll fall back to earth as teams realize it's not a total cakewalk playing you.
11 déc. 2023 à 13 h 34
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I know. It is remarkable. I expect you'll fall back to earth as teams realize it's not a total cakewalk playing you.


I would hope! (I really want Celebrini) but this team is believing they can compete and come back and that’s a scary team to play!
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With a normal shooting% (even setting him hit at a very high rate of 15%), thats a pace of 57 points/82.

You want to know how much 60 point wingers making 5+ mill get? Look at reilly smith


wanna know how much top 4 dman making around 4 million get? look at marino
11 déc. 2023 à 16 h 4
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wanna know how much top 4 dman making around 4 million get? look at marino


Yeah common devils fleece. Fitzy is him.
11 déc. 2023 à 16 h 4
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wanna know how much top 4 dman making around 4 million get? look at marino


Or Chychrun 👊🏼
11 déc. 2023 à 16 h 12
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Or Chychrun 👊🏼


uhhhhhh are you saying larsson is on the same level as chychrun?
11 déc. 2023 à 16 h 57
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Kuzmenko is worth a 3rd at most. He’s quickly proving he can’t keep up in this League. Last year Petterson carried him along with an unsustainable shooting%.
 
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