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Fixing the PP

Créé par: Victor24
Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 10 déc. 2023
Publié: 10 déc. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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  1. Henrique, Adam (2 900 000 $ retained)
  2. Tracey, Brayden
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  1. Acciari, Noel
  2. Nylander, Alexander
  3. Poulin, Samuel
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
  5. Choix de 6e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
Détails additionnels:
Poulin and 2nd for Henrique with retention
Nylander for Tracey
A 6th to take Acciari
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  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (PIT)
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2025 (PIT)
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10 déc. 2023 à 13 h 51
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I really like Greer, and I think you're overpaying for the guy. A 4th/5th would probably get a deal done for a 4th line forward.

That said, I still hope the Flames extend him for 3–4 years at or around $1M.
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I’d look at monahan over Henrique, also not a fan of moving acciari, think a 4th line of eller centering nieto and acciari would be good. Also that wont help the pp, no player is going to change the way it works and that’s currently the problem.
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I think I'd rather have Eller over Accari if I'm Anaheim. Ideally looking for as little term coming back as possible.
10 déc. 2023 à 14 h 38
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Tony DeAngelo fixes power plays…so does Erik Karlsson
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10 déc. 2023 à 14 h 44
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Acciari is not dead weight
10 déc. 2023 à 15 h 53
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I really like Greer, and I think you're overpaying for the guy. A 4th/5th would probably get a deal done for a 4th line forward.

That said, I still hope the Flames extend him for 3–4 years at or around $1M.


The overpay is because he likely won't cost much and is a 3rd liner who can play gritty on the PP.
10 déc. 2023 à 15 h 59
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I’d look at monahan over Henrique, also not a fan of moving acciari, think a 4th line of eller centering nieto and acciari would be good. Also that wont help the pp, no player is going to change the way it works and that’s currently the problem.


I would also be interested in Monahan if Henrique was not available or too expensive. Hell, I would call about both.

The Pens need a netfront guy. Someone to be in the goalies face. Hornqvist and Crosby were those guys but Crosby is too old to get beaten up that way.
10 déc. 2023 à 16 h 0
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I think I'd rather have Eller over Accari if I'm Anaheim. Ideally looking for as little term coming back as possible.


Sure but Eller has value to the Pens. Accari has value but not in their system.
10 déc. 2023 à 16 h 15
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I’d look at monahan over Henrique, also not a fan of moving acciari, think a 4th line of eller centering nieto and acciari would be good. Also that wont help the pp, no player is going to change the way it works and that’s currently the problem.


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Acciari is not dead weight


So here are Acciari's numbers for the year. 5v5 and ranked against forwards in the NHL and forwards on the Pens.

Expected Goals per 60: 0.65, 10th on Pens, 247th in NHL
Points per 60: 0.84, 10th on Pens, 331st in NHL
Shot Attempts per 60: 10.6, 11th on Pens, 247th in NHL
Corsi: 39%, 12th on Pens, 366th in NHL
On Ice Expected Goals: 40%, 12th on Pens, 350th in NHL
Off Ice Expected Goals: 56%, 12th on Pens, 351st in NHL
On Ice Expected goals against per 60: 3.12, 12th on Pens, 341st in NHL
On Ice shots against per 60: 73, 12th on Pens, 362nd in NHL
Hits: 41, 1st on Pens, 44th in NHL
Blocked Shots: 16, 1st on Pens, 39th in NHL

So Acciari blocks shots and hits people. He is otherwise a black hole on this team. He needs to go to a better system for him.
10 déc. 2023 à 16 h 29
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So here are Acciari's numbers for the year. 5v5 and ranked against forwards in the NHL and forwards on the Pens.

Expected Goals per 60: 0.65, 10th on Pens, 247th in NHL
Points per 60: 0.84, 10th on Pens, 331st in NHL
Shot Attempts per 60: 10.6, 11th on Pens, 247th in NHL
Corsi: 39%, 12th on Pens, 366th in NHL
On Ice Expected Goals: 40%, 12th on Pens, 350th in NHL
Off Ice Expected Goals: 56%, 12th on Pens, 351st in NHL
On Ice Expected goals against per 60: 3.12, 12th on Pens, 341st in NHL
On Ice shots against per 60: 73, 12th on Pens, 362nd in NHL
Hits: 41, 1st on Pens, 44th in NHL
Blocked Shots: 16, 1st on Pens, 39th in NHL

So Acciari blocks shots and hits people. He is otherwise a black hole on this team. He needs to go to a better system for him.


Feel like this is unfair because for most games hes played with carter who is more of a black hole then anyone else on this team. And hes one of our better pkers. Also if hes moved to the rw with eller centering he might find his game more.
10 déc. 2023 à 17 h 56
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Feel like this is unfair because for most games hes played with carter who is more of a black hole then anyone else on this team. And hes one of our better pkers. Also if hes moved to the rw with eller centering he might find his game more.


To your point, in the 100 or so minutes he was not with Carter, he was much better. By much better, I mean he was league average. Still, if Rakell and Rust return (and no one else goes on the IR), the Pens would need to lose salary, if they add. So Acciari or Eller. Or you could drive over to Carter's house and beg him to "injure" himself.
10 déc. 2023 à 18 h 2
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To your point, in the 100 or so minutes he was not with Carter, he was much better. By much better, I mean he was league average. Still, if Rakell and Rust return (and no one else goes on the IR), the Pens would need to lose salary, if they add. So Acciari or Eller. Or you could drive over to Carter's house and beg him to "injure" himself.


I mean they’re able to send people down, think with what’s going be 4 bottom pair dmen that can’t be sent down there can be movement for a guy like monahan with half retention. league average in general or league average for a 4th liner. Like yeah hes not a game breaker but hes good defensively and I don’t like what I’ve seen from the PK since him and nieto went down with injury.
10 déc. 2023 à 18 h 20
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I mean they’re able to send people down, think with what’s going be 4 bottom pair dmen that can’t be sent down there can be movement for a guy like monahan with half retention. league average in general or league average for a 4th liner. Like yeah hes not a game breaker but hes good defensively and I don’t like what I’ve seen from the PK since him and nieto went down with injury.


So Monahan with retention could fit (it would be around 1MM). Henrique with 50% is still nearly 3MM.
I don't see a way to fit salary above 1.5MM on this team without shipping someone out. They need 1 maybe 2 guys. I would be interested to see what MTL folks think Monahan is worth.

Edit: I did look at the cap sending guys down. They would be over by 500k-750k
10 déc. 2023 à 19 h 41
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So Monahan with retention could fit (it would be around 1MM). Henrique with 50% is still nearly 3MM.
I don't see a way to fit salary above 1.5MM on this team without shipping someone out. They need 1 maybe 2 guys. I would be interested to see what MTL folks think Monahan is worth.

Edit: I did look at the cap sending guys down. They would be over by 500k-750k


Graviteh said he thinks a 2nd rounder, maybe with a prospect, that’s my opinion at least, I wouldn’t spend a first on him. Think depending on his production for the rest of the year think resigning him would be a good idea for a 3rd line center role. Considering the injury and point production inconsistencies think his price would be manageable with the cap going up by like 4.2m next year plus carters contract ending
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So here are Acciari's numbers for the year. 5v5 and ranked against forwards in the NHL and forwards on the Pens.

Expected Goals per 60: 0.65, 10th on Pens, 247th in NHL
Points per 60: 0.84, 10th on Pens, 331st in NHL
Shot Attempts per 60: 10.6, 11th on Pens, 247th in NHL
Corsi: 39%, 12th on Pens, 366th in NHL
On Ice Expected Goals: 40%, 12th on Pens, 350th in NHL
Off Ice Expected Goals: 56%, 12th on Pens, 351st in NHL
On Ice Expected goals against per 60: 3.12, 12th on Pens, 341st in NHL
On Ice shots against per 60: 73, 12th on Pens, 362nd in NHL
Hits: 41, 1st on Pens, 44th in NHL
Blocked Shots: 16, 1st on Pens, 39th in NHL

So Acciari blocks shots and hits people. He is otherwise a black hole on this team. He needs to go to a better system for him.


I'm not saying Acciari is great or invaluable to this team - but anyone with a 13.1% ozone start percentage is going to have some pretty terrible advanced numbers to be fair. The PK has clearly been worse without him. There is a place for 4th liners who hit, block, and play well on the PK. He's been fine for what his job is - maybe a little overpaid. Not setting the world on fire, but definitely not dead weight and the numbers are more of a more deployment than system issue imo
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11 déc. 2023 à 13 h 16
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I'm not saying Acciari is great or invaluable to this team - but anyone with a 13.1% ozone start percentage is going to have some pretty terrible advanced numbers to be fair. The PK has clearly been worse without him. There is a place for 4th liners who hit, block, and play well on the PK. He's been fine for what his job is - maybe a little overpaid. Not setting the world on fire, but definitely not dead weight and the numbers are more of a more deployment than system issue imo


I completely agree. His numbers last year are light years better than this year with the same amount of OZone starts. He needs to be away from Carter and put with guys who can muck it up with him.

I think he is a Tanev type and has a place on this team. He just needs to either be put with better linemates or traded. In this scenario it was traded to get 1MM in cap space.
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11 déc. 2023 à 16 h 4
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I completely agree. His numbers last year are light years better than this year with the same amount of OZone starts. He needs to be away from Carter and put with guys who can muck it up with him.

I think he is a Tanev type and has a place on this team. He just needs to either be put with better linemates or traded. In this scenario it was traded to get 1MM in cap space.


Oh okay - I must've completely misread the tone of your post then haha. I thought you listed those numbers to say he just isn't a good player. My bad. Looks like he was around mid to high 30% range for ozone starts last year. Unless I'm reading the stats wrong on Natural Stat Trick, it looks like he's somehow better with Carter than without. Although I still agree it would be better for anybody to not be playing with Carter.

Yeah I have no issues with trading him like you did to free up necessary space. I do think he brings something to the team though - a bit Tanevish like you mentioned.
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Oh okay - I must've completely misread the tone of your post then haha. I thought you listed those numbers to say he just isn't a good player. My bad. Looks like he was around mid to high 30% range for ozone starts last year. Unless I'm reading the stats wrong on Natural Stat Trick, it looks like he's somehow better with Carter than without. Although I still agree it would be better for anybody to not be playing with Carter.

Yeah I have no issues with trading him like you did to free up necessary space. I do think he brings something to the team though - a bit Tanevish like you mentioned.


I was overly critical in my previous post. When I looked up his stats without Carter, he looked much more Tanev like. I jumped to a conclusion without looking at his most common linemates. You were right and I was wrong.

As for the Zone starts, I'm seeing (O, Neutral, D, Fly):
4%, 14%, 27%, 55% for this year and
6%, 17%, 11%, 66% for last year
Those numbers are 5v5.

He is being deployed poorly. He needs to be moved from Carter and put with guys he can run with and hit somebody.
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