I'd imagine Hertl would be 2 1's and no 2nd and 3rd but, it's really splitting hair at that point

Personally, I’m blocking ur number

Devils accept, but Vanecek may have to go the other way

You should. I could see a scenario where Boston trades Ullmark for a first and then reroutes that plus a prospect like Lysell for Hertl only if FA doesn’t play out as hoped.

Also, people need to acknowledge that this team’s identity is built on the two goaltenders that are basically going to be lifelong friends at this point. They makeup for deficiencies in the backend in their bottom pairing and the aggressive system their coach employs. They are a huge part of this teams chemistry and persona.

Also, Sweeney treats second and third round picks as athletic flyers. He doesn’t seem to care about draft ratings. He actually seems to prefer raw players with flaws and makeup. Trading Ullmark for quantity (late second and third rounders) is is bad idea.

Also, why would leave $4m in cap room and not try to get a better DMan combination for your 3rd pairing?

A trade for Ullmark starts with a blue chip prospect or a high to middle 1st Round pick. Trading the defending Vezina Trophy winner who is having another very good year, will not happen if Boston is getting second and third round picks.

What type of prospect is Bos looking for? Our '24 1st has strings attached (Timo Meier trade), so it might have to push to '25. Ullmark is a UFA at that point, not sure how I feel about that. Understand the ask from Bos though. Devs have to make an over for G, I think it happens in the summer though, Fitz usually does those deals off-season

The condition will be known by the offseason on the 2024 pick. It’s a first, a high prospect, or it’s a non starter. The only reason Boston trades Ullmark is to flip the asset by this stage. There likely is no trade during the season.

I agree, just stating if its the '24 pick and trade is made in-season (see below), it would have to slide to '25 if Devs won ECFs.
If it's the summer you are 100% correct. LU would have one year left and unless NJ wanted to talk with him about an ext first not sure how our GM feels about it. My ask was for a trade between now and TDL and your point of "why" is a good one, Bos probably woudn't do this in-season

This is a deal that could be done in season if the parties agreed, but it would require a few things

1. San Jose being OK if the pick pushed. In reality, they would own it either way, so I don’t see why they’d be overly concerned

2. Vanacek going to San Jose and Kappo coming to Boston with retention. I’d view Vanacek as a negative contract personally, but he’s not egregious especially with the room they have.

I don’t see Boston trading from their identity, but any trade in the season for Hertl would require a goalie being traded

Reigning vezina winner MAF went for FC just a few years ago

High to mid 1st is the value on a swayman, not a 31 year old who’s never handled a true starters workload.

A 1 year rental on Ullmark probably doesn’t fetch a 1st+. He’s gonna be 32 I believe, having never played a true starters workload, and this season has been much worse. I certainly wouldn’t go above the kuemper price and that was with retention

He’ll be 32 at free agency and likely would be open to a trade to a market in his NMC next year with a long term extension. He will turn 31 during the offseason.

From my perspective, I’d rather keep him and then see if he’s open to signing a long term backup contract with a clean NMC once he hits FA. I think he’s found nirvana in Boston and I could see him prioritizing mental health and family stability. He’s actually a pretty interesting guy with his priorities in the right place. Swayman and him are super close, which I think is a dynamic you normally don’t see.

I know fans of other teams think they need to trade him. I see a more likely path were we pay a significant amount of money for two goaltenders and just accept that we may have to fill the bottom of the roster with one year rentals or young players.

What makes this team as good as it is? I think it starts with Pasta and then the two goalies.

My thought process is and always will be as follows. Good goaltending is very valuable. 95% of goalies aren’t.

Outside of Igor Shesterkin and Ilya Sorokin, I wouldn’t trust any goalie to be elite next year.

Probably does happen with an offer similar to this one, depending on how much space they want to guarantee to go get the guy they want this summer.

Vegas trade Fleury after winning the Vezina for a nothing prospect, they won the cup 2 years later. If Boston thinks the cap space is more neccessary for future success they won't haggle for more than a 2nd+ change

The irony is I want to see the rotation in the playoffs. I believe most goalies get completely hammered from a workload standpoint and the ones that succeed have a light workload at some point. It goes against conventional wisdom, but I’m questioning that point.

It also allows for management of injuries.

My preference is Boston keeps both goalies through next year.

People need to stop assuming cap dumps are the same as normal trades.

We traded a former Hart Trophy Winner for Ian Mitchell and Adam Regula. If NJ has cap issues, you going to take the same swap for a good forward? Cap dumps and trades without cap constraints are two different things and Boston’s cap problems this year were caused by going for it last year (the overages for Bergy and Krejci)

Mediocre goalies are readily available. Hell, multiple teams have given Vanecek a shot and he sucks.

Depending on how much cap space Boston needs, Ullmark might just be a cap dump

They seem OK with that part. They should be able to sign a premium player and a good secondary player at another position. All good teams have to add secondary players for the bottom 6. Sweeney appears pretty good at low cost flyers. They could create a situation where they add two impact players, but will that second impact player be better than Ullmark? That’s the question

Cap wise, they are pretty healthy. They would have been fine this year if they didn’t have the 4.5m overage.

Fair enough, we'll see who they get and how much it will cost either via trade or FA, I just very much see a possibility of selling low on Ullmark for cap space

They would have done that this year if that was the goal