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Nope no way but the price NOT SERIOUS

Créé par: RicXX
Équipe: 2023-24 Blackhawks de Chicago
Date de création initiale: 22 nov. 2023
Publié: 22 nov. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Thought experiment only, NOT SERIOUS!

I'm aware this wouldn't happen, but what if a Lindros type trade proposal from SJS came across your desk looking like this...

What do you do?
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CHI
  1. Fisher, Michael [Liste de réserve]
  2. Smith, Will [Liste de réserve]
  3. Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (SJS)
  5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (SJS)
  6. Choix de 1e ronde en 2026 (SJS)
Détails additionnels:
2027 2nd round pick (SJS)
2028 1st round pick (SJS)
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2383 500 000 $75 145 124 $0 $3 137 500 $8 354 876 $
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
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M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AD, C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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758 333 $758 333 $
AD
RFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance505 000 $$505K)
AG, C
RFA - 1
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2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
AG, C, AD
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4 250 000 $4 250 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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800 000 $800 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
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4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
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UFA - 1
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775 000 $775 000 $ (Bonis de performance325 000 $$325K)
AD
UFA - 1
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2 650 000 $2 650 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 2
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800 000 $800 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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918 333 $918 333 $ (Bonis de performance1 000 000 $$1M)
DG
RFA - 3
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9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 7
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3 800 000 $3 800 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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916 667 $916 667 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DG
UFA - 1
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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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962 500 $962 500 $
G
RFA - 2
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916 667 $916 667 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
DG
RFA - 2
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4 400 000 $4 400 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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859 167 $859 167 $ (Bonis de performance32 500 $$32K)
DG
RFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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758 333 $758 333 $
AG
RFA - 1
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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22 nov. 2023 à 23 h 55
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22 nov. 2023 à 23 h 56
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You say no because Connor Bedard is already exceeding expectations with a horrible supporting squad. Additionally, the hawks have $50M in cap space next offseason, multiple draft picks in the first 3 rounds (over the next 3 years), and a pretty deep prospect pool. There's no need to make this trade from Chicago's point of view.

Lindros wanted out, the team had no choice.
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22 nov. 2023 à 23 h 57
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With the 24 draft, are 2 of the top 4 players equal to Bedard? That is my only thought. The rest is well, magic beans. Bedard is good for business and will be exciting for years to come but could this lead to making a muti championship winning team for years to come?
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You say no because Connor Bedard is already exceeding expectations with a horrible supporting squad. Additionally, the hawks have $50M in cap space next offseason, multiple draft picks in the first 3 rounds (over the next 3 years), and a pretty deep prospect pool. There's no need to make this trade from Chicago's point of view.

Lindros wanted out, the team had no choice.


But look at what the trade did for Quebec/Colorado. Lindros didn't want to play for the owner of the Nordiques, had the sale already been in the works would he have stayed?
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23 nov. 2023 à 0 h 17
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Why is Vlasic in this trade?
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23 nov. 2023 à 0 h 18
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Why is Vlasic in this trade?


Just to put him with his Cousin. I like bringing family together!
23 nov. 2023 à 0 h 25
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Just to put him with his Cousin. I like bringing family together!


Lol...at 7MM of dead cap space I think you would need to pay for that family reunion

You'd need to add Eklund as well. Remove Vlasic, then maybe.
23 nov. 2023 à 1 h 5
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But look at what the trade did for Quebec/Colorado. Lindros didn't want to play for the owner of the Nordiques, had the sale already been in the works would he have stayed?


Those were different times when a 15M monetary payment meant something as well lol. I think you would look for some proven NHLers in that return (that can still play lol, not Vlasic), as they won't get as many pieces but could go for 3 high-quality pieces (one or two being a top prospect) + 2 picks. I don't think SJ would be the best team for this.

I would go to Anaheim and look to get Zegras + a top-prospect (needs to be someone other than Carlsson, McTavish, and Mintyukov) + Vatrano (or an equivalent roster player) + two top-10 protected 1sts. Don't think Anaheim would give nearly this much but I think this is the closest thing a Lindros-type deal would look like.

If you are doing SJ it would probably be Smith + Hertl + 2025 1st (top 10 protected) + 2026 1st (top 5 protected) + ... Need to leave them this year's 1st.
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23 nov. 2023 à 1 h 6
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Sharks would NEVER do this
You trade the 4th OA Smith, the likely 1st OA in 24, plus 2 more 1sts and 2 more 2nds for 1 player. That’s selling the car to pay for gas!!!

I get none of those picks or Smith ever reach Bedard status…. But Smith & Celebrini alone are more valuable to the Sharks than Bedard, and of those other 4 picks I assume at least 2 if not 3 should end up being impactful pieces.

If this team had a Stacked prospect pool and team but needed a superstar I would consider, but the sharks are horrible with 1 quality youngster in the NHL and a couple with some potential and 2 aging stars and one very aged and bad former star (Vlasic) they need lots of high caliber pieces to build with.
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23 nov. 2023 à 8 h 8
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It's fun to play with ACGM and stuff and all true fans enjoy this kind of hypothetical but...no. No.
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23 nov. 2023 à 9 h 13
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If we are using the hypothetical that Bedard wants out of CHI and purely talking about value, maybe... But that Vlasic dump takes up quite a bit of value.
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23 nov. 2023 à 13 h 34
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Quoting: Dr_Invictus
Lol...at 7MM of dead cap space I think you would need to pay for that family reunion

You'd need to add Eklund as well. Remove Vlasic, then maybe.


Bedard is the main piece, I wasn't caring about the cap coming back, it's a hypothetical value for Bedard.
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Sharks would NEVER do this
You trade the 4th OA Smith, the likely 1st OA in 24, plus 2 more 1sts and 2 more 2nds for 1 player. That’s selling the car to pay for gas!!!

I get none of those picks or Smith ever reach Bedard status…. But Smith & Celebrini alone are more valuable to the Sharks than Bedard, and of those other 4 picks I assume at least 2 if not 3 should end up being impactful pieces.

If this team had a Stacked prospect pool and team but needed a superstar I would consider, but the sharks are horrible with 1 quality youngster in the NHL and a couple with some potential and 2 aging stars and one very aged and bad former star (Vlasic) they need lots of high caliber pieces to build with.


Good thing it's just a fun hypothetcal post for what would Chicago fans do if SJS offered them this package for Bedard.
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23 nov. 2023 à 16 h 59
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Good thing it's just a fun hypothetcal post for what would Chicago fans do if SJS offered them this package for Bedard.


Yea bottom line is the price to acquire a guy like Bedard destroys the chances for that team to build around him! And any less and Chicago laughs.
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