The Jets can't really afford to overpay that much for an average 2nd pairing guy with a really bad contract, even with the retention.

Jones doesn't waive for Winnipeg anyways.

Hawks would listen to any trade proposal that gets Seth off the books without giving up other major assets. That said I doubt Jones waives for the Jets. If he would, I'd think we try to avoid retaining anything on the contract (let you keep Lucius + your 3rd for starters)

He's absolutely a 1st pairing defenseman, come on man. He's overpaid by maybe 1M

He never waives though, that is correct

I don't think there is any scenario that has the Hawks retaining on Jones. It is just too many years to commit to. The team is not trying to compete right now so he is serving his duty as a cap hit to keep the team above the salary floor, and a mentor to the young LD the Hawks have on the team and in AHL right now.

The only way I see them retaining would be in several years. Less time retaining, and only if his skills diminish/they need the cap space. But remember the cap should start going up as well.

Hawks aren't interested in moving jones. He's overpaid sure but he's also the only contract on the team that has any term. If you wanna say he's bad and a cap dump, sure thing but the hawks have a ton of cap space and the salary cap is about to make a big jump. If you wanna say he's a solid asset as a top pair RD, sure thing, I agree which is why the hawks would expect a much better return than this package. Retention is an automatic no.

But did you see that one jfresh card from like 3 years ago that everyone took out of context?!

Jones would be a really bad addition to the room.
We just dumped a bad attitude, why should we get a new one