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Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 21 nov. 2023
Publié: 21 nov. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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The trade also frees up $3mil in cap space for EDM and gives them more flexibility to make other moves.
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MTL
  1. Foegele, Warren
  2. Skinner, Stuart
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
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The 2nd rd pick is for MTL taking $3mil in cap space
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21 nov. 2023 à 9 h 57
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I don't understand how this trade benefits EDM in any way.
21 nov. 2023 à 10 h 25
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I don't understand how this trade benefits EDM in any way.


So EDM doesn't need to make a change in goaltending?

The Oilers have zero cap space to take on salary. They get $1.6 mil in space by swapping Skinner with Montembeault. They shed Foegele's $2.75mil cap. Get a NHL quality defensemen that still has top 4 potential signed for cheap at $1.4mil. and pay a draft pick to make up the cap difference....
21 nov. 2023 à 10 h 28
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So EDM doesn't need to make a change in goaltending?

The Oilers have zero cap space to take on salary. They get $1.6 mil in space by swapping Skinner with Montembeault. They shed Foegele's $2.75mil cap. Get a NHL quality defensemen that still has top 4 potential signed for cheap at $1.4mil. and pay a draft pick to make up the cap difference....


LOL wait what? EDM needs a goalie change and Montenbault is the answer?

Where is the NHL quality defenseman they're getting? Harris? EDM doesn't need player who will be good down the line. They need player who are impactful right now. Harris is OK. He has potential, but he doesn't move the needle for EDM.

There's nothing about this trade that warrants EDM sending a 2nd over.
21 nov. 2023 à 10 h 52
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LOL wait what? EDM needs a goalie change and Montenbault is the answer?

Where is the NHL quality defenseman they're getting? Harris? EDM doesn't need player who will be good down the line. They need player who are impactful right now. Harris is OK. He has potential, but he doesn't move the needle for EDM.

There's nothing about this trade that warrants EDM sending a 2nd over.


Hey I don't make the reports. Elliott Friedman was the one who said on 32thoughts podcast that EDM are scouting MTLs 3 goalie's but that EDM's focus seems to be more on Montembeault or Primeau (but I don't think Primeau moves the needle for EDM).

MTL got a 1st for taking Monahan's $6mil salary last year. in 2019 CAR got a 1st for taking Marleau's $6.25. Is it really that unreasonable to ask for a 2nd to take $3mil in cap??
21 nov. 2023 à 10 h 58
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Hey I don't make the reports. Elliott Friedman was the one who said on 32thoughts podcast that EDM are scouting MTLs 3 goalie's but that EDM's focus seems to be more on Montembeault or Primeau (but I don't think Primeau moves the needle for EDM).

MTL got a 1st for taking Monahan's $6mil salary last year. in 2019 CAR got a 1st for taking Marleau's $6.25. Is it really that unreasonable to ask for a 2nd to take $3mil in cap??


Yes, it is unreasonable.
21 nov. 2023 à 11 h 7
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LOL wait what? EDM needs a goalie change and Montenbault is the answer?

Where is the NHL quality defenseman they're getting? Harris? EDM doesn't need player who will be good down the line. They need player who are impactful right now. Harris is OK. He has potential, but he doesn't move the needle for EDM.

There's nothing about this trade that warrants EDM sending a 2nd over.


Edmonton can go a number of directions in net.
Moving Campbell's contract and acquiring a proven vet would be ideal, but may ultimately be too difficult or expensive to manage.
Adding a cost effective goaltender is easier to achieve, but also more of a gamble. The benefit being that you don't have to pay a premium to both move Campbell and acquire a replacement.

Montembeault has only posted a save percentage below .917 twice in 8 games this season. Skinner has done that 9 times in 12 games.
I'm not saying Montembeault is a definitive solution, but if they aren't willing to do what is necessary (pay the prices required to make a bigger splash), then he's at least a suitable risk.

They aren't moving Skinner regardless. They just need someone who can take the pressure off him. He's been thrust into a starting role he simply isn't prepared for and Campbell was supposed to give him the time he needs.

This particular proposal doesn't work, but Montembeault isn't a bad target if they go that route.
21 nov. 2023 à 11 h 15
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Edmonton can go a number of directions in net.
Moving Campbell's contract and acquiring a proven vet would be ideal, but may ultimately be too difficult or expensive to manage.
Adding a cost effective goaltender is easier to achieve, but also more of a gamble. The benefit being that you don't have to pay a premium to both move Campbell and acquire a replacement.

Montembeault has only posted a save percentage below .917 twice in 8 games this season. Skinner has done that 9 times in 12 games.
I'm not saying Montembeault is a definitive solution, but if they aren't willing to do what is necessary (pay the prices required to make a bigger splash), then he's at least a suitable risk.

They aren't moving Skinner regardless. They just need someone who can take the pressure off him. He's been thrust into a starting role he simply isn't prepared for and Campbell was supposed to give him the time he needs.

This particular proposal doesn't work, but Montembeault isn't a bad target if they go that route.


He's not bad for a back-up solution, but as you pointed out, it's not ideal to have Skinner starting. The situation certainly isn't easy for EDM right now to figure out, but if they go all-in to move Campbell I have to think they only do so if they're getting a legit proven starter back.

It will definitely be interesting to watch unfold. I agree this proposal doesn't work and even if Montembault is a target, this deal is very lopsided. Foegele and Skinner aren't bad pieces.
21 nov. 2023 à 11 h 33
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Monty would actually be a perfect target for Edmonton as he has a very good track record on high danger chances which Edmonton gives up in bunches. But alas I don’t believe he is available…
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This particular proposal doesn't work, but Montembeault isn't a bad target if they go that route.


Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
It will definitely be interesting to watch unfold. I agree this proposal doesn't work and even if Montembault is a target, this deal is very lopsided. Foegele and Skinner aren't bad pieces.


Is Skinner that valuable and untouchable? What am I missing with him? Foegele and Skinner aren't bad pieces, which is why I'm trading for them (honestly, I have no interest in Foegele but he's included to help EDM cap situation), but Harris and Montembeault are equally valuable imo. Disagreeing that $3mil cap difference being worth a 2nd is fine, bump it down to a 3rd. I don't see how this is far off.

You have to consider as well that if EDM continue to struggle, they will avoid trying to trade draft picks and prospects. and as much as Capfriendly users love the idea of dumping Campbell for multiple 1sts and top prospects, it's completely unrealistic. If Ken Holland was willing to send 1st rd picks or top prospects to fix his goaltending, he'd probably have done by now. There'd be no shortage of teams looking for 1sts and such.
Holland is trying to make a "Hockey trade" with huge cap constraints. Something is going to have to give if he doesn't want to move his top picks and prospects.
21 nov. 2023 à 11 h 40
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Monty would actually be a perfect target for Edmonton as he has a very good track record on high danger chances which Edmonton gives up in bunches. But alas I don’t believe he is available…


100%, I think if Hughes can sign him to an extension, he just won't be on the market. I'm literally just exploring the idea from Friedman's report that EDM are more interested in Montembeault than Allen. And I'm going off the assumption that Holland doesn't want to move his 1st's and top prospects (Holloway, Bourgault, etc.)
21 nov. 2023 à 11 h 48
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Is Skinner that valuable and untouchable? What am I missing with him? Foegele and Skinner aren't bad pieces, which is why I'm trading for them (honestly, I have no interest in Foegele but he's included to help EDM cap situation), but Harris and Montembeault are equally valuable imo. Disagreeing that $3mil cap difference being worth a 2nd is fine, bump it down to a 3rd. I don't see how this is far off.

You have to consider as well that if EDM continue to struggle, they will avoid trying to trade draft picks and prospects. and as much as Capfriendly users love the idea of dumping Campbell for multiple 1sts and top prospects, it's completely unrealistic. If Ken Holland was willing to send 1st rd picks or top prospects to fix his goaltending, he'd probably have done by now. There'd be no shortage of teams looking for 1sts and such.
Holland is trying to make a "Hockey trade" with huge cap constraints. Something is going to have to give if he doesn't want to move his top picks and prospects.


I'm really just pointing out there's nothing about this trade that justifies EDM sending a 2nd to MTL. If anything, MTL is getting better pieces back than EDM or at the very least it's a wash.

There's still room for Skinner to grow, but EDM isn't looking to wait.
21 nov. 2023 à 11 h 53
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100%, I think if Hughes can sign him to an extension, he just won't be on the market. I'm literally just exploring the idea from Friedman's report that EDM are more interested in Montembeault than Allen. And I'm going off the assumption that Holland doesn't want to move his 1st's and top prospects (Holloway, Bourgault, etc.)


If I’m Holland I make a move for the cheap option in Primeau. Swap Lavoie for him. Québécois kid who has size and a scoring touch, Edmonton doesn’t seem too invested in him as they waived him at the beginning of the season and correct me if I’m wrong but if a player is traded and has already passed through waivers earlier in the year he doesn’t have to pass through again on his new team. Could be a good guy to play with Roy and Farrell down in Laval.
Primeau has potential and needs playing time. Although inconsistent he has proved he can steal a game or two when he’s in the zone.
21 nov. 2023 à 12 h 39
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If I’m Holland I make a move for the cheap option in Primeau. Swap Lavoie for him. Québécois kid who has size and a scoring touch, Edmonton doesn’t seem too invested in him as they waived him at the beginning of the season and correct me if I’m wrong but if a player is traded and has already passed through waivers earlier in the year he doesn’t have to pass through again on his new team. Could be a good guy to play with Roy and Farrell down in Laval.
Primeau has potential and needs playing time. Although inconsistent he has proved he can steal a game or two when he’s in the zone.


I don't see how Primeau helps EDM's cause... literally would be just a shot in the dark for Holland. And I have no clue what Hughes would want for Primeau, but we can all agree it won't be much. If I had to guess, it would be more for a waiver exempt AHL goalie. Maybe Rodrigue? Lavoie is ok I guess, but he could be taking time away from Roy or Farrell, they all play the wing.
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I don't see how Primeau helps EDM's cause... literally would be just a shot in the dark for Holland. And I have no clue what Hughes would want for Primeau, but we can all agree it won't be much. If I had to guess, it would be more for a waiver exempt AHL goalie. Maybe Rodrigue? Lavoie is ok I guess, but he could be taking time away from Roy or Farrell, they all play the wing.


Lavoie also plays center…
 
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