Fire it off the glass. A back hand pass to your own slot is never the right play and no wonder Matthews wasn't ready for it. It was a stupid play. You don't put the puck into your crease. You just don't. Your defence of McCabe this season just ruins all York credibility

Timmins is in his first game. Give him a break. You're just off the wall now

Thats not a great excuse. He and Lagesson has been bad

Like sure first game back but if you want to play more got to play better but as the game on he looked worse and worse

This coming from the captain of the McCabe fan club. He cost the Leafs this game with his back hand pass to his own slot.

This team against Lottery teams is just trash

Honestly lucky to get a point out of this game

Big 4 dont play like they want to win

Blew another 3-1 lead

That killer mentality is just not there

He didnt lul

The big 4 not showing up cost them this game

All playing with no purpose no heart nothing all just floating around

Matthews and Marner -2

0 points by any of them

Nylander 17 point streak gone

Just crickets

These are the 4 best guys on the team and thats the performance they give us against a Lottery team

God help us

You're nuts man. Mccabe doesn't throw that infront of his own net, and they win 3-2.

With all the pressure CHI was putting on even if that play doesnt happen they would have tied it with the way our big guys were playing

They were bad this game there is no defending it

No points by any of them and not even a shred of compete by them

But its to be expected as against lottery teams these guys disappear

That is an absolute joke of an argument

Not really as your missing the point this team goes no where without the big 4. They play like we saw vs. Chi or don't get on the scoresheet more often than not this team gonna lose

Stats back it up. But as we have seen over and over the big 4 don't try vs lottery teams that's really it. They play to just get game over with.

Keefe should grow a pair of balls to start benching the big 4 when we get performances like that

Need them to be held accountable and not just be ghosts on the ice showing up for a giveaway or sloppy play

Cooper aint afraid to bench is top line when they ****, We got the CBJ and CGY coaches benching their money makers


Also split up Matthews and Marner. Those two are cold rn. Put Willy with Matthews and Marner with JT to get them going again

As they were great to start but now crickets

Just overblown nonsense of an argument. One game where they don't score and you are ready throw in the towel. And ignore the blatant horribly decision making by McCabe and blame the guy he put in a terrible position to somehow make an argument. It's a joke

Its not

Its really not

Last season go see the amount of games they won without any of the big 4 scoring its less than 10.

If non of the big 4 are performing this team goes no where. We saw it in the playoffs especially vs. FLA.

In general we saw it tonight big 4 did not try and did not perform. Thats all there is to it. When all 4 aint going this team goes no where. Everyhighlight of them was poor play by them that lead to CHI goals

We have seen it time and time again. Lottery team alright wake us up when its done.

Todays game literally contradicts your point. Zero of the core 4 had any points in the game, yet our scoring wasn't the issue. The issue is Samsonov and our defense (more so our defense). We had a pretty decent lead, and we blew it because our defense was trash. This has zero to do with scoring dude

In general its a combination of everything

Big 4 not showing up to bail the team out

Defense not performing well

Sammy forgetting all the progress he made

But in general there was little nothing from the big 4 besides a breakaway by Marner SH and an OT breakaway by Willy. The bright spots 3RD line and Reaves scoring

How do we waste a potential Reaves gwg lul

Scoring was never the issue but as we have seen even in the past when the big 4 dont score and all 4 are cold this team rarely wins. They can score 2-3 and still lose. Like last year the one game to remember was Dallas where Robertson scored both goals and they won


Dangle said it best when the big 4 all go cold or are ghosts this is the expected result. At least if 2 are performing we got a chance. But yea thats how were built

Overall, Matthews and Marner have been bad these last 5 games and now JT and Willy went cold. Hopefully its a one off. But then again against lottery teams this is how they play

In Pitt things need to be better especially when we want to make a statement vs. KD new team

Just stating facts if you cant accept I cant help you

As in the end this team goes no where without the big 4 thats how they have been built. When all 4 go cold this is the end result

What makes it worse is when they play against a lottery team as its almost expected at this point

They do this in the playoffs oh god help them

Facts? You don't have facts you just spout your opinion and make up reasons to make them seem real. Your defence of McCabe on the tying goal is proof of that. Number rule for defenceman, never ever put a backhand pass into your own slot. Ever. Why? Exhibit A

Its not an opinion lul

Its been stated multiple times by NHL analytics and sports analysts this team goes no where without the big 4

Dangle as said before described it best "when all 4 are cold they more often will lose"

FLA series in the playoffs basically highlighted that as games 1-3 quiet

Thats all there is to it lul

The way this team is built is big 4 or bust.

Against Lottery teams the big 4 and or the team in general does not perform

Its all there is to it.

That logic certainly applies when you only get offense out of the core 4, with your forward depth being made up of the likes of Kerfoot and other defensively minded players, however that doesnt apply to this year at all. Our third line has been a game changer and we get good efforts out of Knies, Bertuzzi, and Gregor. The defense not defending and Sammy letting in weak goals has nothing to do with the core. That's on those guys. We've actually got a pretty deep forward group this season, so Im not buying into the kind of thinking. Its not core 4 or nothing, as demonstrated by today. Really dont understand how you watched that game and came to the conclusion that the core 4 were the issue...

Like every team in the NHL. If your stars don't produce you don't go far. This isn't a TO issue, it's an every team issue. Also they got 3 goals from non core members. And McCabe threw it away.

Dangle is no more insightful than you or I. He watches the exact same game we do. He's not some kind of hockey genius. Just watch the games and it's abundantly clear what the issues are. Right now, we have a blue line that is too lackadaisical on defense and a forward group that isn't defensively skilled whatsoever. Dubas prioritized guys like Kerfoot who could help on defense to cover for our offensively minded blue line, which is why we saw so little depth scoring over the last few years. Treliving is in the process of reworking the structure of this roster. If you add a Zadorov or a Tanev, you will notice a world of difference.

In general, Matthews and Marner have been bad these past few games.

Give JT and Nylander a pass as they were fire till tonight but dont let more come from that

3rd line was great but as we saw even them scoring 2 couldn't help make up for the poor defensive play and our big 4 not feeling it

Sammy also being bad does not help getting beat out by a young goalie with 4 wins (2 vs. us lul)

But lets be real those 4 especially Mattthews and Marner put a little more effort in probs win 4-3 before OT.

Even Keefe mentioned it

https://twitter.com/dalter/status/1728180811545837636

Either way results kind of expected at this point as we all know it. Lottery team this team plays down to its opponent. But there play vs. strong teams makes up for it

Big 4 playing poorly is obviously less than ideal, don't get it twisted, but that game showed that we have the forward depth to make up for those one off games where none of them are clicking. Its clear that we will be able to win games even when the core 4 arent producing, but if the defense is no good then you can forget it. THAT should be the main takeaway from today.

To me the Dangle quote sums it best. As for some reason no matter the depth if all 4 go quiet they just cant seem to win

It always has to be at least one doing something for them to win. Which makes sense given who they are. Now yes defense and goaltending play a part in that but its like why cant you win with your depth guys going but you 4 are having an off day.

Now I do think defense needs a rework and Brad's working on it but some effort by everyone to try can also help. Sammy also just needs to get back into the zone like we saw in the games where it was just solid work and only 2 goals allowed

Still early but wow I have fear for Lagesson-Timmins lul That pairing scares me more than McCabe-Klingberg and its only been 1 game


In the end man if Matthews and Marner put a little more effort probs would have probs won even if score was ugly.

Either way man this team vs. Lottery teams just be special sometimes always finding new ways to make us go why dont they.

Anyways watch them crush Pitt tomorrow as thats a team they will probs go okay lets do this lul


Still surprised that Willy shot didnt go in I will give him that

Lines I would try tomorrow

Knies-Matthews-Nylander
Bertuzzi-JT-Marner
Robertson-Domi-Jarnkrok (Never split them up lul)
McMann-Kampf-Steeves

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Timmins (temporary)
Gio-Lagesson or Benoit

Rest Gregor and Reaves


Cause we need to just find a way to get Matthews and Marner going again. Willy and JT its fine they had their fun but lets see if they can help Matthews and Marner get going