278th best dman in WAR model, terrible corsi and Fenwick numbers which show he's a terrible puck mover. Horrific shot suppression as well. Makes 3M more than deserved

Yea his corsi and fenwick speak bad things about him. He got overpaid in Tampa.

HERO Chart is god-awful

One thing to consider with Girardi is that all his numbers are going to look terrible because he was consistently thrown out there are against the best competition the NYR faced. I'm not saying he's a good defenseman, but I don't think he can truly be considered a minor league defenseman until given a shot with third line minutes.

But he's WAYYYYYYY overpaid for those.

Actually, per "hockeyviz". He didn't play against the top-2 as much as you think.

http://hockeyviz.com/fixedImg/qoct/1617/NYR/girarda84/wrap

He didn't play against the top two defenders a significant amount, but he did play the top three forwards more than any other set. You're right, the visual isn't as extreme as I thought, but I still return to my original statement. Spare until proven otherwise.

Press box please or trade him. #freekoekkoek

He's a 2nd pairing guy i think because he blocks a lot of shots, he brings leadership to the Rangers, and he can get in the way of the play. So that is why i think he is a 2nd pairing defenseman, though he's pretty close to a 3rd pairing guy.

Blocking shots is not the same as shot suppression. Blocking shots are nothing compared to CORSI/Fenwick/PS/PODs/WAR

i really don't know what's wrong with shot blocks.

I will add one more thing to my reason: Claude Giroux, who plays tons of minutes against Dan Girardi. Claude Giroux also thinks that Dan Girardi is the most underrated player in the league.

Daniel Sedin said Sven Baertschi is better than him. Your point?

RAIF, use any sort of advanced analytics to support Dan Girardi. Go onto hockeyrefernece.com and find some

better than Girardi? And they're good players too.

phillyjabroni, use shot blocks to support that Girardi is bad.

Just saying here that we have both shown stats that support what we think. Maybe he's better than you think he is and not as good as i do.

Shots blocks = recovery of failed shot suppression. standing in front of a shot, doesn't prevent the shot from happening.

Dan Girardi HERO Chart : EV Shots Suppressed per hour compared to everyone else : 0.0 out of 10.0

Shot blocks are bad because that means Girardi allows shots to happen as opposed to stopping them beforehand, which is why he has to block them. You keep forgetting he has some of the worst shot suppression numbers in the league

This article isnt exactly numbers based but it does, imo, a decent job of recapping his career with the Rangers. I personally think he shouldn't be playing in the NHL anymore and I'd back it up with different metrics and number but it seems like you guys already took care of that.

One key reasoning behind shot suppression being far better than shot blocking is the impact on goalies. To block a shot, the goalie is blind to the shot and is essentially being screened by the defender. If that puck deflects to the side and a man is left open it's an easy goal as the goalie was unable to see where the puck went and has delayed reaction time as a result. Another thing with shot blocking is that if the shot is whiffed on by the defender or it deflects off their stick, the goalie has zero chance of stopping it without luck. It's much easier for a goalie to not face shot attempts than have to deal with tons of shot blocking in front of him.

but it could stop it from going in.

What's more important: preventing a shot from even occurring or blocking a shot you failed to prevent from happening?

they're pretty similar.

can you define both of them, in your own words please?

'Stopping the shot from being taken' and 'Stopping the shot from doing anything.' So they both help.