Calgary will get a better offer than that with picks way sooner for Hanifin

This account is dead set on giving away picks in 2027 like any GM wants picks 4 drafts away lmao.

Well someone took our 2026 one last year and that made it 4 drafts away

Yeah cause Chicago was literally just starting their 5+ year rebuild. 95% of teams in the league are not looking to rebuild for 5+ years aside from Chicago and probably San Jose. 1 special case doesn’t make it the norm.

How are these posts getting worse..? Why not start using historical trades as a basis for your idea instead of just throwing a player out there with an overvaluation of a Leafs player and a pick. Hanifin, relate it to Orlov, Lindholm, Chychrun base an idea off that because this is a terrible post again.

Appreciate you thinking of me and Liljegren is definitely an interesting piece, but look at what ANA received for Hampus Lindholm comparatively:

1st Round Pick = 22nd Overall > TOR 1st Round Pick
Former 1st Rd Prospect = Vaakanainen <= Liljegren
2nd Round Pick = 60th Overall = Niemela/Knies?
BOS 2024 2nd RD Pick > TOR 202? 2nd Round Pick
$1.625 Cap Dump=John Moore=McCabe/Reeves/Timmins?

Okay so need to add another second which they don’t have so a prospect that has that value niemela comes to mind and that’s it? I don’t really need to add a cap dump in there cause I got him double retained

1st + Liljegren + Niemela + Abruzzese for Hanifin 50% retained. CGY’d then send a Pick to CLB for Jake Bean

This is assuming the rumoured extension with Hanifin falls through and he’s willing to head to TOR

We want a 3rd back at least cause there was never any talk of a first going your way and that’s a gross overpayment I doubt the leafs would do that’s the equivalent of 2 firsts and a second

What is this?

Knies worth a 2nd? Are you high. He's top 10 in the league in offensive impacts and had 4 points in 8 games playing 13 minutes a night with no PP time. His analytics this year have him in a very elite category. Small sample size but I don't think that I'd trade him 1 for 1 for Wright. And nobody would argue Wright is worth just a 2nd. Very few prospects on his level.

Lili and Vaakanainen are in different worlds. I can't believe after years of non-Toronto fans slagging off Sandin and Lili as worthless that even after the Sandin trade nobody sees the value of Lili who every NHL GM values higher (more reliable, better analytics, right handed).

McCabe was worth a 1st + 6 months ago. What has happened that he is now a cap dump? He is a very valuable D at 2M that any GM would trade a 1st for.

If you are looking to match the Lindholm deal then you are looking at:

Tor 2024 1st
Tor 2026 1st
Timmins

For

Hanifin (50% retained)
3rd

Problem is that Lindholm was traded as a #1 D. Nobody views Hanafin as a #1D he's seen as a #2/3. Realistically the Flames will get about a 1st, 2nd and mid prospect for him if they are lucky. The D market is oversaturated, look at Columbus who can't move a D even at a massive discount.

You can value Knies higher if you’d like. I get the hype and like his size, but other than 1 good game where he Scored 2 Goals + 1 Assist in 15mins against TBL who were Playing their Backup Goalie, he has 2PTS in 10GP, so I wouldn’t consider him the next SuperStar or anything more than a decent prospect yet

Yeah, Lily’s better than Vaakanainen, but he’s a different player than Sandin. Liljegren does have greater value being he’s a Right Shot RD, but like Knies there’s some promise and projectability and he’s good, but he isn’t great yet either

Well McCabe has been struggling for the Leafs since the playoffs, but I wasn’t saying he’s no longer a good player, I’m just indicating a player may need to be dumped for Cap reasons to fit Hanifin in

Both Hanifin & Lindholm play 23 minutes per game… Lindholm probably is slightly better, but Hanifin is the best available Defensemen on the Trade Board right now, so if traded, he should get a similar return

I’m not that high on 21+ Overall Picks and TOR’s projects to be a super late one, no!? There’s a difference in value between Pick 22 and Picks 23-32 and not all Drafts are equal either. Some Draft classes are greater than others from year to year too. IOW one Teams 1st RD Pick is not equal to another’s and some draft years have better quality than others.

Trying to use hindsight to justify that Boston's pick in March 2022 had less value than Toronto's pick today is just absurd. Boston was top 10 in the league when they made this trade and finished top 10 in the league. That pick could easily have been 32nd. It's revisionist to say that Anaheim made the deal for the 22nd pick which is much different than the 23-32 pick. They didn't know what they were getting when they made the deal.

I think you are massively overvaluing Hanifin, I don't love the new scout reports on CapFriendly but even they project Lindholm as a top pair D and Hanifin as a second pair D. Semantics aside I think there are maybe 20-30D in the league you'd definitely want on your top pair come playoffs and maybe 60+ who you'd be fine with on your second paid. There is just a major difference in value between players in one category vs the other.

Knies is on every prospect list as a top 15 league wide prospect. To say he isn't anything more than a decent prospect is pretty absurd. I'd invite you to watch him play. His lack of production isn't his fault he's been playing with guys who haven't been producing, Most analysts and fans would say his talent is very apparent.


We could debate value all day. I just think the proposal you made is completely absurd

1st
Lili
Knies
2nd
McCabe

If that is the proposal in terms of picks
1st = 1st
Lili = 1st + 2nd (If Sanding was 1st + 3rd and we agree Lili is worth more)
Knies = 1st + 2nd (at least)
2nd = 2nd
McCabe = 1st (let's say he's lost about a 2nd in value since last year).

So you really think anyone would trade 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd for Hanfin on an expiring deal?

If Nylander is worth Hanifin + 1st then just send up 5 1sts and 3 2nds and I'd gladly trade Nylander.