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Équipe: 2023-24 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 22 oct. 2023
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    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 41
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    Quoting: Ennis
    I'm kind of on the side with dougford

    Rossi hasn't done a whole lot of anything productive in the 26 games he's played. Has he looked decent so far? I guess? But to compare him to a player who just scored 20 in his rookie season would actually be criminal. He doesn't have that 1C pedigree he once did years ago when he was drafted. He still could be a decent middle 6 player, but Pinto has a higher ceiling while being an effective 2/3C... while Minnisota is still hoping Rossi can be that



    Have you watched the games?
    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 41
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    Quoting: Jah1722
    Dude missed a full year due to sickness, has been pretty good in the AHL the last 2 seasons and hasn’t gotten a legit NHL shot yet at 22 but he’s a reclamation project?

    Pinto played 17 games in the NHL before his breakout last season. Rossi played 21 NHL games before this season. Let’s wait and see what he does this season before claiming he’s a reclamation.


    pinto broke out. wild fans are still praying rossi does
    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 41
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    Quoting: Ennis
    I'm kind of on the side with dougford

    Rossi hasn't done a whole lot of anything productive in the 26 games he's played. Has he looked decent so far? I guess? But to compare him to a player who just scored 20 in his rookie season would actually be criminal. He doesn't have that 1C pedigree he once did years ago when he was drafted. He still could be a decent middle 6 player, but Pinto has a higher ceiling while being an effective 2/3C... while Minnisota is still hoping Rossi can be that


    You’re comparing a full season after 17 NHL games to a handful of games to start a season after 21 NHL games. Apples to oranges.
    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 42
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    Quoting: PhilsWeiner
    pinto broke out. wild fans are still praying rossi does


    Pinto broke out in his 1st NHL season. Rossi is a handful of games into his 1st NHL season.
    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 42
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    Quoting: Jah1722
    You’re comparing a full season after 17 NHL games to a handful of games to start a season after 21 NHL games. Apples to oranges.


    That's not how that works.
    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 43
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    Quoting: Caerii
    Have you watched the games?


    Yeah, actually. I've been interested in Rossi's development for years. He's looked okay, but nothing that suggests he still has a 1C pedigree, or a pedigree that's currently higher than Pinto.
    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 44
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    Quoting: Ennis
    Yeah, actually. I've been interested in Rossi's development for years. He's looked okay, but nothing that suggests he still has a 1C pedigree, or a pedigree that's currently higher than Pinto.


    He's looked more than okay. Don't lie about watching the games just to sound smart.
    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 44
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    Quoting: Ennis
    That's not how that works.


    Yes it is. Rossi is playing his 1st full NHL season after 21 NHL games thru 2 previous seasons. Pinto played his 1st full NHL season after 17 NHL games over his previous 2 seasons.
    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 45
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    Quoting: Jah1722
    Yes it is. Rossi is playing his 1st full NHL season after 21 NHL games thru 2 previous seasons. Pinto played his 1st full NHL season after 17 NHL games over his previous 2 seasons.


    Quoting: Jah1722
    You’re comparing a full season after 17 NHL games to a handful of games to start a season after 21 NHL games. Apples to oranges.


    ur forgetting where pinto still had 8 points in 17 games prior to last season, and in one of those seasons had 7 in 12. rossi has.... yeah... close to a donut lol
    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 46
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    Quoting: Jah1722
    Yes it is. Rossi is playing his 1st full NHL season after 21 NHL games thru 2 previous seasons. Pinto played his 1st full NHL season after 17 NHL games over his previous 2 seasons.


    Rossi is also a year behind Pinto age-wise. Add a year he lost development-wise, and he's two full years behind Pinto at this point.

    Pinto is a 3C, Rossi is also playing 3C, right now, two years behind him, and should be higher up the lineup.
    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 47
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    Quoting: Caerii
    He's looked more than okay. Don't lie about watching the games just to sound smart.


    Uhh.. sure.. if that helps you cope with him being near bust territory, sure. It's your eye test vs. mine, and mine is telling me he still has yet to do anything significant at the NHL level.

    If he still has one point in another 5 games, will that be okay because you think he looks good?
    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 48
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    Quoting: Jah1722
    Yes it is. Rossi is playing his 1st full NHL season after 21 NHL games thru 2 previous seasons. Pinto played his 1st full NHL season after 17 NHL games over his previous 2 seasons.


    Pinto was still effective prior to last season, Rossi wasn't.
    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 48
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    Quoting: Ennis
    Uhh.. sure.. if that helps you cope with him being near bust territory, sure. It's your eye test vs. mine, and mine is telling me he still has yet to do anything significant at the NHL level.

    If he still has one point in another 5 games, will that be okay because you think he looks good?


    "Near bust territory" from a guy who claims to watch the games and would be able to clearly see there is no risk of busting lol
    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 49
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    "Near bust territory" from a guy who claims to watch the games and would be able to clearly see there is no risk of busting lol


    My brother.... come on....
    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 50
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    Quoting: Ennis
    My brother.... come on....


    Come on what? You lied about watching the games to try to win an online argument that you had no business entering in the first place because you don't actually watch the player in question play. Just like the other guys in this thread who googled Rossi's stat line but have no clue what's actually going on. Your "eye test" is you looking at the stat line on the internet.
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    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 52
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    Quoting: Caerii
    Come on what? You lied about watching the games to try to win an online argument that you had no business entering in the first place because you don't actually watch the player in question play. Just like the other guys in this thread who googled Rossi's stat line but have no clue what's actually going on.


    Let's settle down a bit. I didn't lie about anything, I watched 3 out of the 5 games Rossi has played and I don't know where you're getting off as if he's the next Jack Hughes, but the dude is not that good.

    You're one of those "the stats dont paint the whole picture!" homers, as if Rossi has done anything significant at the NHL level and just barely cracked the roster. Be for real, if the Wild didn't have 15m in dead cap, Rossi would be spending another year in the minors. The only reason he's actually playing is because he's still on a league min and the Wild desperately need him to pan out. He has 1 point in 5 games. Literally be for real.

    Cope with it and move on. Don't project your eye test as legit. Rossi is not that guy.
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    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 53
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    Quoting: PhilsWeiner
    ur forgetting where pinto still had 8 points in 17 games prior to last season, and in one of those seasons had 7 in 12. rossi has.... yeah... close to a donut lol


    You’re also forgetting that Rossi had 53 points in the AHL coming back from his illness while Pinto was playing in college.
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    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 55
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    Quoting: Jah1722
    You’re also forgetting that Rossi had 53 points in the AHL coming back from his illness while Pinto was playing in college.


    that doesnt mean anything? lol. his ahl stats dont mean jack if they cant translate to the big leagues
    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 56
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    Quoting: Ennis
    Pinto was still effective prior to last season, Rossi wasn't.


    You guys wanna compare 21 games to 17 games go for it. Maybe wait until both have played a full NHL season. Especially when claiming the older player is better because he played one season before the other.
    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 57
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    Quoting: Jah1722
    You guys wanna compare 21 games to 17 games go for it. Maybe wait until both have played a full NHL season. Especially when claiming the older player is better because he played one season before the other.


    Well Rossi's 1 point this season dictate it's going to be a long season.
    22 oct. 2023 à 16 h 59
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    Quoting: PhilsWeiner
    that doesnt mean anything? lol. his ahl stats dont mean jack if they cant translate to the big leagues


    He’s played a handful of games in his age 22 season at the NHL level after 21 NHL before that. Pinto in his age 22 season had his “breakout” after playing 17 NHL games prior to that.

    You all are comparing an older player who didn’t miss a year due to COVID to a player who is on the same spot he was a year ago. Maybe try and wait to see how the season goes.
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    Well Rossi's 1 point this season dictate it's going to be a long season.


    Yes because 1 point in handful of games to open the season dictates how good his season will be…
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    22 oct. 2023 à 17 h 0
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    Quoting: Ennis
    Let's settle down a bit. I didn't lie about anything, I watched 3 out of the 5 games Rossi has played and I don't know where you're getting off as if he's the next Jack Hughes, but the dude is not that good.

    You're one of those "the stats dont paint the whole picture!" homers, as if Rossi has done anything significant at the NHL level and just barely cracked the roster. Be for real, if the Wild didn't have 15m in dead cap, Rossi would be spending another year in the minors. The only reason he's actually playing is because he's still on a league min and the Wild desperately need him to pan out. He has 1 point in 5 games. Literally be for real.

    Cope with it and move on. Don't project your eye test as legit. Rossi is not that guy.


    Lol, your opinion literally means nothing, you haven't watched the games, now you're trying to do damage control.

    You keep saying stuff that's telling on yourself though. You claim he wouldn't be an NHL player if the Wild didn't need his contract, and your evidence is, once again, his stat line.

    If you had actually watched the games, you would be aware of the fact that he's been one of the top ~5 forwards on the team every single night, but he's playing with Marcus Foligno and Freddy Gaudreau at even strength, who are not good offensive players. Foligno by himself has caused a Rossi goal to be taken back on offsides review, hit a post on what would have been a Rossi assist, and missed the net entirely on what would have been another Rossi assist.

    If Rossi had the pleasure of playing with guys like Alex DeBrincat and Drake Batherson (like Pinto did), he would have at least 4 points through these first 5 games, and idiot stat watchers like yourself would probably be singing a different tune.

    Seriously, it's okay to admit you're wrong, which in this case, you very much are.
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    22 oct. 2023 à 17 h 4
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    It's OK to be bold when correct, not correct to always be bold


    Clearly I’m not the only one who knows what he is talking about read the rest of the posts here bud
    22 oct. 2023 à 17 h 4
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    Lol, your opinion literally means nothing, you haven't watched the games, now you're trying to do damage control.

    You keep saying stuff that's telling on yourself though. You claim he wouldn't be an NHL player if the Wild didn't need his contract, and your evidence is, once again, his stat line.

    If you had actually watched the games, you would be aware of the fact that he's been one of the top ~5 forwards on the team every single night, but he's playing with Marcus Foligno and Freddy Gaudreau at even strength, who are not good offensive players. Foligno by himself has caused a Rossi goal to be taken back on offsides review, hit a post on what would have been a Rossi assist, and missed the net entirely on what would have been another Rossi assist.

    If Rossi had the pleasure of playing with guys like Alex DeBrincat and Drake Batherson (like Pinto did), he would have at least 4 points through these first 5 games, and idiot stat watchers like yourself would probably be singing a different tune.

    Seriously, it's okay to admit you're wrong, which in this case, you very much are.


    How am I telling on myself? Did they teach you reading comprehension over there in Minnisota?

    If the wild weren't tied to all of that dead cap, do you really think Rossi would have made the lineup? He's making league min which they can afford. If they could have spent money on trades/FA they would have certainly gotten better players in the lineup. They need him to develop and they are hoping he pans out. They have no choice with their cap situation.

    If Rossi was any better, he'd be playing in bigger roles higher in the lineup. Clearly, he's not trusted there yet. Rightfully so, he's not that good.
    "B-b-but he's playing on the 3rd line!!!!"... Right... because he's not that good.
     
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