😂😂😂😂😂 holy man you’re like a 1st and 2nd short minimum. Torts may not like Frost but we was literally one of the bets 5v5 forwards in the league last season analytically post all-star break. POJ is barley an NHL player and we have probably 7 options better than him currently.

you realize flyers pens are never trading right?

He's a healthy scratch........ how is he more of an NHL player than POJ?

Flyers are regularly icing Marc Staal

Correct, imagine a third team involved a la Streit

He’s a healthy scratch cause Torts is trying to prove a point to him that he wants him to play a more all around game. I could make you 5 of our forwards at minimum that have played worse than him this year but haven’t gotten sat because he expects more out of Frost. Also if you think a Center is worth the same as a depth defenseman you don’t know what you’re talking about lol. Centers are always valued higher than anyone other than maybe RHD.

POJ is a closer to a 3/4 than a 'depth defenseman'

I don't think the value is really that off

It’s wildly off. Centers alone are more valuable Frost is a 2C that Torts is trying to turn from just a producer to an all around center. Hes just trying to prove point to him. JOP isn’t a 3 or a 4 like I said we have 7-8 options better than him on the left side. Even if he is a 4, a 2C is extremely more valuable lmao.

We have way too many LHD in system for this to be worth anything.

Have you watched POJ the past 2 years? He is clueless and a weakling that gets pushed all over the ice

Frost is a 3C at best ? No idea where 2C is coming from

When does 46 Points at 24 years old a 3C?

Man you really made an alt account just to say the same nonsense haha

You are a freaking moron.

Frost has been playing 2C for 2 years, on a contender he is a 3C even then so a 3C is more important than a 4 that’s a LHD. There are loads of LHD in the NHL. York, Sanheim, Zamula, Andrae, Staal, Seeler, Walker are all better than POJ. This is gonna be my last comment on this cause going around in circles with you is useless.

1. The Flyers and Penguins would never trade
2. The Flyers aren’t helping the Penguins get better
3. The Flyers aren’t trading a 2C/3C for a fringe NHL player
4. We can’t hold anymore defenseman on the team we already have 8 in our lineup
5. We can’t hold anymore LHD because 6 of our 8 defenseman primary the left side lmao
6. Centers are move valuable than defenseman

If you can’t understand all of that then it doesn’t matter anyway lol. Not a single person in this post agrees with you by the way and everyone is saying the same things I’m telling you

I won't call the trade fair, but I think your evaluations of both players are exaggerated.
Via hockey-reference, Frost's corsi and fenwick %s were break even at 5v5, and his points/60 was at 2.0. Good stats for a middle 6 scorer, but not mindblowing. By the same sources, he had slightly higher scoring and slightly lower playdriving then Kevin Hayes at 5v5, and was worse at both in all situations.
You don't have 7 better options than Joseph when your 2nd pairing by TOI is Sean Walker and Marc Staal.

Both of them are better than POJ. Staal helped Florida to a cup final, POJ and the Pens didn’t even make the playoffs and choked to fall out which was the whole reason Florida was in to begin with lol.

I wouldn't describe Staal's playoff performance as "helping" them. He put up 0 points and poor defensive numbers in the playoffs. Florida went on a Cinderella run in spite of him, not because of him.
You're using team success to compare two depth players. By this logic, Nic Roy had more TOI for Vegas than Nik Ehlers did for Winnipeg, so Roy is the better player of the two.

Frost is NOT a Depth player. By your logic, Konecny, Sanheim, York, Hayes, and N. Cates would all be depth players! Tortorella benches players so their performance can improve! Hell, he benched Laine a few seasons ago in Columbus, is Laine a depth player?

Wake up man! Just because they are benched doesn’t make them bad!

There's no way you actually think frost is worth the Bo Horvat price right? Right??

I wasn't comparing Frost to anyone: Neither my reply or the comment I was replying to mentioned him. That was comparing Staal and PO Joseph. I thought that was clear, but apparently not.
As for benched =/= bad, I absolutely agree. Frost being a healthy scratch made no sense and I don't know why Torts did it. But I made no mention of it, so I have no idea why you're arguing against a point I didn't make.

You said, “ two depth players,” I am not saying you are comparing players. What I am saying is that just because a player gets scratched under Torts, it doesn’t make him a depth player.

"Two depth players" Yeah, for the 3rd time those two depth players are Marc Staal and PO Joseph. I literally never called Frost a depth player because I think he's at worst a solid 3rd liner. And I directly said "Frost being a healthy scratch made no sense and I don't know why Torts did it". You're arguing against an opinion I don't have.

Dude, I’m sorry. I got you and the thread starter confused. I read through your comments and I realized you were defending Frost. My bad.

Happens to the best of us, don't worry about it.