It’s never going to be considered fair by a Canucks fan. No fan is ever happy with the return when they trade a star player because those returns are never as good as the one you’re suggesting. You’re not getting two recent top 5 picks along with another two picks that are likely top 5-10… Are you out of your mind?

Tkachuk trade:
Huberdeau was an extremely high end piece
Weegar was a high end piece
1st round pick

Eichel trade:
Krebs was a high end prospect piece
Tuch was a fairly high end piece (similar to what Dach is now, if not better)
1st round pick
2nd rounder added as well

St. Louis trade:
Callahan was a high end piece
2x 1st round picks

Seth Jones trade:
#12 pick was a high end piece
Boqvist was a high end piece
The 2022 1st was 6th overall
(Chicago did also get to move up 10 spots from 42 to 32)

You’re trying to get Pettersson for less than a 38 year old Martin St. Louis returned. Look at past trades for stars and go off of that. Not to mention Pettersson likely gets the best return out of them, seeing as he’s better than all of them apart from Tkachuk (who he’s not too far behind), but the fact he plays C would make him more valuable than Tkachuk was imo. At worst he gets a similar value return to Tkachuk, who returned 2 very high end players and a 1st

Seth Jones returned a recent 8th overall pick, the 12th overall pick, and a pick that ended up being 6th overall

Dach is a solid piece for a Pettersson trade, but isn’t good enough to be the headlining piece. He could be the 2nd/3rd best asset in the trade, but not the best. He also hasn’t lived up to his top 5 pick status, seeing as he literally got traded for a mid 1st in a weak draft

Picks that “ended up being top” whatever is irrelevant. That is the 1st round pick that would be given by Montreal in this scenario.

We’re not going to agree my man

Every trade you just quotes proves me right and proves you wrong. They were all traded for one big prospect and then picks. Krebs was a 17th overall pick - not at the level of the players you’ve suggested Habs give up. Tuch was a middle 6 winger already in his prime. Sabres fans and fans across the league hated that trade for Buffalo.

Callahan was a 26 year old 2nd liner not a high end piece and then picks.

Jones was traded for one big prospect in Boqvist and then picks.

My point is Seth Jones returned 3 very good assets, but you’re trying to get Pettersson for less than what he returned, and for less than a 38 year old Martin St. Louis returned. If we compare the trades

12th overall pick = Dach (was traded for 13 and 66 last year)
2022 1st = MTL 2024 1st
Boqvist = Reinbacher (Reinbacher is better but Pettersson is also far better than Jones)

You’re telling me it’s an outrageous ask when it’s very similar to what Seth Jones got in return

At the time of the Eichel trade Krebs was ranked as the 26th best prospect in the league by the Athletic. Reinbacher this year was ranked 20th. They are comparable

Tuch and Dach are comparable. Tuch was better than Dach was, but Dach is younger than Tuch was

1st round pick = 1st round pick

Vegas added a 2nd, and Pettersson is also better than Eichel so he should get a better return than Eichel

Tuch was not at all comparable to Dach. Everyone including Buffalo was surprised at what he did after the trade. Krebs and Reinbacher are not comparable. The narrative around Reinbacher is just false. He was a top defender in the NL (4th best league in the world) at 17/18 years old, even led his team in ice time. Was in line with Nemec, Jiricek. And if you saw him last night you would change your tune real quick.

Well that "nobody" was just about everyone because he was the center piece of that deal. It was then Krebs or Hague and 2 firsts that ended up as Krebs and a 1st & a 2nd, with a 3rd going back... Tuch was a rookie back then, with the same kind of potential you are talking about

Add Reinbacher and Vancouver might actually dignify this insult with a response

Tuch at 22 had a 54 point season. Dach at 22 had a 38 point season. They were both strong defensive players. They are absolutely comparable, and Tuch at the time of the trade had been a better player than Dach has been up to this point. So yes, they are comparable

Krebs at the time was a very highly ranked prospect, the same as Reinbacher is right now. Reinbacher is a bit better of a prospect sure, but Pettersson is also better than Eichel and didn’t need career threatening neck surgery, so he gets a better prospect than Eichel did

Tuch was a rookie back then? Tuch was 25 years old with 5 years in the nhl.

We’ll have to agree to disagree. Your view will change this season when Dach puts up 70+ points. And he won’t need Thompson, Dahlin, Power and Skinner to do it.

I like Dach, but it’s pretty wishful thinking to say he’s gonna practically double his career high point total and get 70+ this year on a bad team

How many games did he play last season?

🤦 I meant Krebs there. That's my bad. Krebs had all the potential in the world, but his scoring has not translated - at least not yet - to the NHL. But was regarded highly. That was the point i butchered

58

Now prorate his points to 82 games

Cute, but it doesn't work like that

Team: GP. G. A. PTS
Blackhawks. 64. 8. 15. 23
Blackhawks. 18. 2. 8. 10
Blackhawks. 70. 9. 17. 26
Canadiens. 58. 14. 24. 38

He has never played 82 games. Which means he averages 64 games played per season (not counting his 2nd year as an injury anomaly for benefit of the doubt). Which means over the coarse of 64 games he would have been up to 42 PTS projected.

As a neutral observer, this return doesn’t seem too far off for a guy who says he wants out. (I assume Vancouver isn’t trading Pettersson unless he wants out.) The only change I’d make is move the 1st-round pick to 2024. 2025 is too long to wait for a team that isn’t thinking rebuild. Top 5 protection seems reasonable.

For Montreal, it doesn’t necessarily have to come with a long-term extension, but they’d have to think they have a reasonable chance to sign him long-term. In that case it would be a calculated risk, like when Ottawa traded for Debrincat. Depending on where the 1st-round pick ends up, this package is probably going to be a lot more than Ottawa gave for Debrincat, but Pettersson is a lot better than Debrincat.

Wtf did you even just type lmfao. I can’t even dignify that with a response lol.

I agree.

Petey is one of the top forwards in the NHL, and does both offense and defense...

He's not in the same realm of Mcdavid, Drai, NateMac, Matthews on forwards.
But he's definitely in the same tier as Robo, Pointer, Kapri, Mat Tk, Jack Hughes

And you can argue that the named mentioned are easily worth 3-5 very valued assets. No some junk, some gems, and some what ifs.

In the Tkachuk trade two players Huberdeau and Weegar at a higher level than Caufield were part of the return. Alex Tuch in the Eichel trade is also better than Caufield. Krebs is probably better too though it's hard to say since he doesn't play for a team bad enough to put him in the top 6 far less the 1st line right away.

I think it’s your bed time.

Tkachuk is arguably the 2nd best player in the league and came with an extension.

In order for Florida to make that deal they had to include Huberdeau no matter what, they couldn’t afford both of them. He was 30 had 1 year left, they would’ve lost him for nothing anyway. Weegar is a #2 or #3 D. Great return, but it’s also a different type of trade, in this case we’re talking about making a trade to a rebuilding team that wants futures. This 1st round pick is likely top 5. I’d take that over 1 year of Huberdeau and Weegar any day.

Tuch was a 3rd liner already in his prime when he was traded.

Krebs isn’t even 1/3 the player Caufield is. You sound ridiculous,