Joseph costs a 2nd just to move so is Dickinson half retained for Thomson and a 4th fair value? Imo I think it is but I could see fans on both sides willing to decline.

I took this idea from a previous post from a CHI ACGM

I saw that after I saw this one. I think it's fair for both teams.

I’d like that trade! I’m also biased towards Dickinson because I played with him when we were kids so I’d always root for him lol

It's a fair deal, but having literally zero cap space is reckless. If there are more than 2 short term injuries at any given time and the Sens would be forced to play short-handed. Another trade would likely be needed to give the Sens some breathing room.

This is absolutely dreadful for Ottawa

Mathieu Joseph is better than Jason Dickinson. Sure they are saving some cap but it's 1.625 and not the full cap

The cost to do that would be a 2nd + 4th + solid RHD prospect?

Dorion already squandered 2nd + 4th to get rid of Zaitsev and 3rd + 7th to move Murray's contract

If he pays 2x more to move an useful player...


lol this is absolutely NOT how it works and at this point, I don't even know how to explain it anymore

The first mistake you make is assuming that Joseph is a 2.95 AAV cap dump while Dickinson is a positive 1.35 AAV asset.

Every NHL team has a distinct value they put on player and it's how they determine how much a player is overpaid (to them) or not. And this is coming directly from NHL executives

The formula here is :

Joseph value - Dickinson value vs 1.625 AAV

Both teams then have to determine the value based on the market and their own valuations

I'll let you figure out the rest

Wow where do I start with this nonsense? This is 100% how this business works and if you can't see that you're delusional. If you want to be a smug b#%ch I'll match you step for step. The Hawks don't need to make trades. Other teams do if they want to become cap compliant to start the season or sign RFAs. Because of that, Chicago sets the market value in any trade scenario. Don't like it? Find another team with cap space willing to make a deal. Kyle Davidson has already stated he's done unless something comes his way that makes sense. This proposal makes sense. In any trade scenario involving the other team shedding cap space, the Hawks have the upper hand since they can simply walk away. I'll let you figure out the rest...

Well, you are proving once again that you have no idea how this works. I am talking about how player's VALUE work and you are talking about your team needs/context.

You probably won't understand the nuance but it's ok

May I remind you that the OP took this idea from a Chicago ACGM. In this hypothetical (which is the purpose of this forum), Hawks are proposing.

Again, you probably won't understand the nuance but it's ok

All that being said, it does NOT work as the following :

- Joseph is 9 M$ cap dump, it would cost ALL THAT to dump him

- Dickinson at 50% is a positive asset and would cost THAT to acquire

If you can't figure out why, I really can't help you. But your option is to stay in denial and call my post "nonsense" again.

But I am going to help out a little bit more. Even if both teams agreed that both players are 100% equal, do you really think 1.625 would cost 2nd + Thomson + 4th?

Look at what it costed the Sens for dumping Murray and Zaitsev, for example, full cap dumps without taking any salary back...

Once again (and I'll use smaller words so you don't get confused) you can value a player however you want BUT the team with the cap space holds all the cards. They set the price. You are free to continue showing yourself to be a fool or we can agree to disagree. Either way, I'm done. Peace out!

You're clearly not smart enough to understand what I have been trying to explain to you about the logic flaws you presented. It had nothing to do with leverage.

You can call me a fool all you want if that makes you feel better