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St. Louis says get off the crack!

Bucunevich is worth more than that. Even if he wasn’t who starts a rebuild by trading for 23 year olds?

The Blues are committed to re-tooling around Kyrou and Thomas, Buchnevich is the kind of player they want to keep.

Even at 27/28 years old, with 2 years left ... if he can be a 30 goal, 60-70 point player consistently for the next 5 years, with the cap going up, he could be worth a 5-6 year deal at $6m per at that point, if he would even take that again. Likely ask for 7.5-8 (or more?) if he goes 80 points..

Bruh. What is this trash? Twenty teams lap that gristle.

Regardless of point production his versatility and line driving would make him worth the 7.5-8. He’s a player I hope we’d pay that to.

Certainly would be sickened if we traded him for a 2nd a mid to bottom pairing defenseman and a waiver guy. Could probably tack in a first top 10 protected and it’s not worth it.

I doubt that tbh. He’s 28, will be 29 after this season. Teams that are retooling typically trade older guys with value for something they need in order to speed up the process. It also won’t be a quick fix for them.. they defense is ancient. They’ll need to completely overhaul it. It’ll take multiple years.

Interesting, and fun, to hear. I'm pretty ignorant of the Blues the last few years. My last recollection of Buchnevich as a player, watching in a game or whatever, was as a Ranger. His points are definitely up there, and if he can somehow find another level then good for him and the Blues.

Nonetheless, I never pictured him, back as a Ranger, as an $8m player. So, just interesting to see an argument for it regardless of point total haha.

If Armstrong expects the team to be able to compete within the next couple of years and then beyond, Buchnevich would be in his twilight prime during their hoped for contending years. If he's productive, then, ehhhhhhh *fonzie*

Er, also, if you're arguing that Buchnevich is too old for the Blues, who are only re-tooling.... why are you asking for him via trade for the Canadiens, who are still rebuilding?? lol

How could he when they’re going to have to overhaul their entire defense? That’s probably going to take 5 years unless they make some smart trades (like this one)

They could acquire a player like Jokiharju without giving up Buchnevich ... unless Jordan Harris is the next Pietrangelo, how could you argue with this: "c'mooooooon"

Jokiharju is a bottom pairing dman. I’m sure they can acquire him for less, yes.

Jokiharju is still young enough at 24 to grow into something better, and would be worth a low price. I don't know much about Harris, but trading an established scorer for an unproven asset at the NHL level doesn't fly with this guy!

Jokiharju has played 5 seasons in the nhl and Buffalo’s biggest need is right D so trading one should’ve give you much confidence in that guy.

Harris is going to be a sure fire top 4 guy. He was probably the best third pairing dman in the league as a rookie, he’s also captain material. We would’ve move him if it weren’t for the fact that our left side on the team and in the pipeline weren’t stacked. Don’t forget we got a 13th overall pick which we turned into Dach, for Romanov. Harris will be better.

You’re being extreme. Yeah this was probably light, but it depends on whether he comes with an extension or not. This proposal is for next offseason, he would have 1 year left. Change the 2nd to a top 10 prospected 1st and it seems fair. Btw Harris isn’t mid nor is he a bottom pairing dman. He was a rookie last season and put up great results. He’s going to be a sure fire top 4. Ylonen is going to be a bottom 6 guy, but he’s no slouch. 100% an nhler and he can provide good secondary scoring. He skates like Ehlers and has a good shot.

Is 23 the new 30? Why wouldn’t they trade for a 23 year old wtf. And sure you’re probably right, but this proposal is for next offseason, Buch would have 1 year left. Change the 2nd to a 1st add a sweetener if he comes with an extension.

I’d imagine if you’re accurate about ylonen, he probably would’ve established himself by now. I don’t think he’s a lost cause, but I also don’t think bottom 6 scoring guys is all that hard to find.

In regards to Harris, I’m not sure that o can believe he’s a surefire top 4 guy. Nothing about his profile or play screams that. He’s certainly a young nhl defenseman which isn’t bad. But I don’t see how’s he’s going to be a guy you throw out there 200+ a night on a highly competitive team. We have loads of young LHD guys that are probably a year or two out as well as some ready this season. I’m not trying to advertise that they are better than Harris. But I think we are adequately suited in that 4/5/6/7 role at LHD especially factoring Leddy and Krug

no.

Have you seen the Habs roster over the last few seasons? Nobody can get in the lineup. We were 15 guys deep at forward. He’ll establish himself this season after we moved out a few guys.

As for Harris, his underlying numbers were some of the best in the league.

Yes but he hasn’t separate himself. The habs aren’t exactly a deep powerhouse either in regards to depth.

I tend to value underlying numbers as support more than anything as a lot of times underlying numbers especially for defenseman are very heavily influenced by role + competition + teammattes.

Of course his underlying numbers are influenced by teammates and role (he had terrible teammates) he played half the season on the 3rd pairing and half on the 2nd. His underlyings were great, he’s was a rookie lol. He’s only going to get better. He’s better than anything St. Louis has in the system. You don’t have to believe it, St. Louis’ pro scouts know it. And as far as offensive depth, we had Slafkovsky and Dadanov on the 4th line. He had zero chance to make the team.