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Créé par: FireShanahanTrelivingKeefe

Équipe: 2023-24 Maple Leafs de Toronto

Date de création initiale: 18 août 2023

Publié: 18 août 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

This trade helps both teams , Brodie and Tanev are same age and both shutdown defense so that is very similar. The retention on both sides helps both teams. Tanev is a bit more physical and right handed so we do not get worse , are under cap , and protect everyone including Jones. This will help CGY even more if they lose Hanifin because now they will still have 2 top RD and LD.

Transactions

TOR

Tanev, Christopher (2 250 000 $ retained)

CGY

Brodie, TJ
Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (NYI)
Choix de 5e ronde en 2024 (TOR)

Détails additionnels:

Brodie and Tanev 50 Retention paid to 3rd party team by 3rd and 5th pick from TML.

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2024
2025
2026

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	83 500 000 $	79 522 283 $	0 $	0 $	3 977 717 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Bertuzzi, Tyler 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston 11 640 250 $11 640 250 $ C NMC UFA - 1	Nylander, William 6 962 366 $6 962 366 $ AD NMC UFA - 1
Knies, Matthew 925 000 $925 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 2	Tavares, John 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 2	Marner, Mitchell 10 903 000 $10 903 000 $ AD NMC UFA - 2
Domi, Max 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ C, AD M-NTC UFA - 1	Kämpf, David 2 400 000 $2 400 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 4	Järnkrok, Calle 2 100 000 $2 100 000 $ AD, C, AG M-NTC UFA - 3
Lafferty, Sam 1 150 000 $1 150 000 $ AD, C, AG UFA - 1	Holmberg, Pontus 800 000 $800 000 $ C, AG RFA - 2	Reaves, Ryan 1 350 000 $1 350 000 $ AD UFA - 3
	Gambrell, Dylan 775 000 $775 000 $ C UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Rielly, Morgan 7 500 000 $7 500 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 7	Tanev, Christopher -1 125 000 $-1 125 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Samsonov, Ilya 3 550 000 $3 550 000 $ G UFA - 1
McCabe, Jake 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Klingberg, John 4 150 000 $4 150 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Jones, Martin 875 000 $875 000 $ G UFA - 1
Giordano, Mark 800 000 $800 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Liljegren, Timothy 1 400 000 $1 400 000 $ DD RFA - 1	Woll, Joseph 766 667 $766 667 $ G RFA - 2
	Timmins, Conor 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ DD RFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
		Muzzin, Jake 5 625 000 $5 625 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 1
		Murray, Matt 4 687 500 $4 687 500 $ G M-NTC UFA - 1

Équipe de réserve
Robertson, Nicholas 796 667 $796 667 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AG, AD RFA - 1

18 août 2023 à 20 h 40

Kresco

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Flames Fans do not want Brodie back thank you. Yes Tanev is a bit injury riddled but is a hell of a lot better player than Brodie. Flames pass quite easily

18 août 2023 à 20 h 43

FireShanahanTrelivingKeefe

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Quoting: Kresco

Flames Fans do not want Brodie back thank you. Yes Tanev is a bit injury riddled but is a hell of a lot better player than Brodie. Flames pass quite easily

So it makes sense for you guys to have either 6.25 Weegar or 4m Anderson or 4.5 m Tanev on your 3rd pair?
This helps both teams clear cap space and have cheaper 3rd pairs. Maybe the the pick for retention on Tanev comes from our side because I agree Tanev is a bit better but not a ton like you say. With the retention it gives you Brodie at 2.5M and opens 2 m cap space for you.

18 août 2023 à 20 h 44

SharkTank

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Flames are better off keeping Tanev.

18 août 2023 à 20 h 52

Shaun80

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Quoting: Leafsmustwin

Weager and Andersson will most likely be the top pairing. Kylignton will replace Hanifan and play with Tanev.

18 août 2023 à 20 h 53

FireShanahanTrelivingKeefe

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Quoting: Shaun80

Weager and Andersson will most likely be the top pairing. Kylignton will replace Hanifan and play with Tanev.

Then you still have a 3.75 m defense on 3rd pair in Zadorov.

18 août 2023 à 20 h 54

FireShanahanTrelivingKeefe

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I adjusted the trade a bit so TML pay both retention to a 3rd party team.

18 août 2023 à 20 h 57

Shaun80

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Quoting: Leafsmustwin

Then you still have a 3.75 m defense on 3rd pair in Zadorov.

So what? We had him there last season.

18 août 2023 à 20 h 58

OldNYIfan

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I think that it's optimistic to believe that a third team will retain $4.75 million ($6 million in actual cash) for a third and a fifth. Retaining quite a bit less than that cost the Kings the equivalent of two seconds.

18 août 2023 à 20 h 59

WN88

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This is probably the most zero-sum trade I’ve ever seen. Both incredibly similar players. Both play the right side (who cares about lefty-righty), and virtually changes nothing for either team.

18 août 2023 à 21 h 2

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Ledge_And_Dairy

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How exactly does this make sense for both teams? Calgary doesn't have cap space

18 août 2023 à 21 h 7

#11

Shaun80

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

Curious what trade you're talking about.

18 août 2023 à 21 h 8

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Bast

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Quoting: Kresco

Flames Fans do not want Brodie back thank you. Yes Tanev is a bit injury riddled but is a hell of a lot better player than Brodie. Flames pass quite easily

Tanev actually played more games than Brodie in each of the last 3 seasons.

I agree that the Flames pass. We can't take on the extra cap.

I personally really like Brodie, and if it was for someone like Z, or after Hanifin is traded for futures I would love to see Brodie back.

18 août 2023 à 21 h 13

#13

FireShanahanTrelivingKeefe

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Quoting: Bast

In the trade I had to write it because armchair gm doesn't work with 3rd party retention.
The whole point of this is you get Brodie at 2.5 M and we get Tanev at 2.25 to help both teams with cap.

18 août 2023 à 21 h 14

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FireShanahanTrelivingKeefe

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Quoting: WN88

This is probably the most zero-sum trade I’ve ever seen. Both incredibly similar players. Both play the right side (who cares about lefty-righty), and virtually changes nothing for either team.

Please read they are both retained 50% which helps both teams as they are over cap. That is the main point plus it helps to have a right hand D , who ever said it makes no difference is wrong.

18 août 2023 à 21 h 16

#15

FireShanahanTrelivingKeefe

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

For how many years were the the other contracts ? Tanev is only 1 season and Brodie 2 seasons left? The amount of seasons being retained is a huge difference.

18 août 2023 à 21 h 18

#16

FireShanahanTrelivingKeefe

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

How exactly does this make sense for both teams? Calgary doesn't have cap space

Both players are retained 50% salary by a 3rd party team , that was the whole point of trade to help both teams with cap on similar players.
The picks in the trade from TML pay for both retention to 3rd party team or teams.

18 août 2023 à 21 h 19

#17

SomeonesOffended

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Definitely not

18 août 2023 à 21 h 24

#18

Bast

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Quoting: Leafsmustwin

In the trade I had to write it because armchair gm doesn't work with 3rd party retention.
The whole point of this is you get Brodie at 2.5 M and we get Tanev at 2.25 to help both teams with cap.

If it's a 1 for 1 then still it doesn't make sense because Tanev is the better D! He has chemistry with anyone he's paired with. He's also especially good playing with younger D. I wouldn't trade him, unless I was sure he was gone at the end of the year, and in that case I would rather get younger assets like Liljegren.

18 août 2023 à 21 h 56

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OldNYIfan

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Quoting: Shaun80

Curious what trade you're talking about.

The deal by which Los Angeles dumped Cal Petersen's $5 million cap hit while retaining $2,025,000 on Ivan Provorov and gave up Sean Walker, Helge Grans and a second-round draft pick. The two AHL stiffs LA acquired aren't the equivalent of either Walker or Grans.

18 août 2023 à 22 h 22

#20

Shaun80

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

Los Angeles dumped twice as much salary as this guy's suggesting, not significantly less.

18 août 2023 à 23 h 15

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OldNYIfan

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Quoting: Shaun80

Los Angeles dumped twice as much salary as this guy's suggesting, not significantly less.

Wrong. Just check 30% of Provorov's salary for the two seasons.

28 août 2023 à 13 h 33

#22

Bast

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10 days later, yep it still doesn't make sense for CGY. Tanev is the better fit.

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