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Équipe: 2024-25 Blackhawks de Chicago
Date de création initiale: 17 août 2023
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Hawks can afford to pay Matthews, the established star. It would be a mistake to pass on signing him with the future plans to pay prospects who may not pop. It is not often that a top 3 player in the league is available when you can actually afford to pay them top dollar.
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17 août 2023 à 9 h 43
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I doubt he'd wanna sign with a rebuilding team but for that money maybe...
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I doubt he'd wanna sign with a rebuilding team but for that money maybe...


By next offseason, the rebuild will be well underway and the Hawks will be very much in contention especially if Matthews inks with the Hawks. This is a playoff team with him on it.
17 août 2023 à 9 h 56
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By next offseason, the rebuild will be well underway and the Hawks will be very much in contention especially if Matthews inks with the Hawks. This is a playoff team with him on it.


I strongly disagree, but that's alright. I think Chicago has many years before the rebuild is over. They got lucky with Bedard but still this isn't a playoffs team even with Bedard and Matthews on it.
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17 août 2023 à 9 h 56
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Ethan Bear contract is interesting.

There should be someone better, or equivalent to him that doesnt cost 5 x 4.

In a perfect world one of the other LD prospects figures out how to play on the Right side. Allen, Del Mastro? Rinzel probably wont be ready.. I dont know much about Taige Harding but at 6'7 and 240lbs he has the body to be a bottom pair shut down guy.
17 août 2023 à 10 h 0
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If this were to happen Chicago would be praying the cap has those big increases coming. Bedard may very well be a +10 million contract guy by the end of his ELC. Then add on all the young elite players that will want to get paid along beside him and trouble would be in the horizon
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I strongly disagree, but that's alright. I think Chicago has many years before the rebuild is over. They got lucky with Bedard but still this isn't a playoffs team even with Bedard and Matthews on it.


If you consider what the rest of the central will look like in a years time, I would argue only the Aves and Wild will look better on paper heading into next offseason. The will have a great chance at making the playoffs with Matthews and Bedard on the top 2 lines and PP.
17 août 2023 à 10 h 3
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If this were to happen Chicago would be praying the cap has those big increases coming. Bedard may very well be a +10 million contract guy by the end of his ELC. Then add on all the young elite players that will want to get paid along beside him and trouble would be in the horizon


It would be a terrible reason NOT to pay Matthews now and praying you have to pay all your prospects demand that type of cap crunching salary. This roster already has about 12 mil of space and by the time Bedard is ready to get paid you, Hall comes off the books and the cap will grow. The Hawks can afford to pay a 25 year old MVP caliber super star center.
17 août 2023 à 10 h 14
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I strongly disagree, but that's alright. I think Chicago has many years before the rebuild is over. They got lucky with Bedard but still this isn't a playoffs team even with Bedard and Matthews on it.


Chicago should be another bottom 10 team this year, but 24-25 should be the start of their climb in the Central.

Its interesting you don't see the comparison with Chicago and Toronto's rebuild that brought them Matthews, Marner, Willy and Rielly. Toronto made the playoffs Matthews 1st year.

Chicago has high end forward prospects (Bedard, Reichel, Nazar and Moore) Depth prospects (Ludwinski, Hayes, Savoie, Greene) + the 9 other draft picks from this past year and 13 picks in the top 3 rounds in the next 3 years. Dont forget the 60 Million in cap space in 24-25

Not all of the prospects will work, but the foundation has been started.
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17 août 2023 à 10 h 24
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Chicago should be another bottom 10 team this year, but 24-25 should be the start of their climb in the Central.

Its interesting you don't see the comparison with Chicago and Toronto's rebuild that brought them Matthews, Marner, Willy and Rielly. Toronto made the playoffs Matthews 1st year.

Chicago has high end forward prospects (Bedard, Reichel, Nazar and Moore) Depth prospects (Ludwinski, Hayes, Savoie, Greene) + the 9 other draft picks from this past year and 13 picks in the top 3 rounds in the next 3 years. Dont forget the 60 Million in cap space in 24-25

Not all of the prospects will work, but the foundation has been started.


I know everyone is freaked about Toronto's current cap and lack of success problem but that's NOT Matthews' fault. The Leaf's overpaid Marner and others not Matthews. To think the Hawks can't sign a top FA because they have a lot of prospects is a flawed mentality. Look at what happened when the Hawks in the early days of the last rebuild signed Campbell and Hossa those were amazing FAs to add to a crop of drafted prospects. You can never be 100% obviously, there will be mistake signings like Huet. But like I said you don't even get opportunities to sign players like Matthews every year maybe once-a-decade type FA opportunity!
17 août 2023 à 10 h 26
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Personally I think $5m per year for Bear is waaaay to much.

I know Matthews is extremely talented but I have a hard time paying him $15m per season when he hasn’t proven he can win when it matters most. Now I know it is a team game but when you are the top dog, getting paid the most, you’re expected to be the guy to drag the team along with you. How many times did we see Kane or Toews step up in a crucial time and have a monster game? Matthews hasn’t done that ever in his career, it has just playoff disappointment after playoff disappointment. I believe the Leafs have won one series with him on the team… one!
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Personally I think $5m per year for Bear is waaaay to much.

I know Matthews is extremely talented but I have a hard time paying him $15m per season when he hasn’t proven he can win when it matters most. Now I know it is a team game but when you are the top dog, getting paid the most, you’re expected to be the guy to drag the team along with you. How many times did we see Kane or Toews step up in a crucial time and have a monster game? Matthews hasn’t done that ever in his career, it has just playoff disappointment after playoff disappointment. I believe the Leafs have won one series with him on the team… one!


Hossa didn't win prior to becoming a Hawk and that worked out well when they broke the bank for him when the cap was much smaller.
17 août 2023 à 10 h 31
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I know everyone is freaked about Toronto's current cap and lack of success problem but that's NOT Matthews' fault. The Leaf's overpaid Marner and others not Matthews. To think the Hawks can't sign a top FA because they have a lot of prospects is a flawed mentality. Look at what happened when the Hawks in the early days of the last rebuild signed Campbell and Hossa those were amazing FAs to add to a crop of drafted prospects. You can never be 100% obviously, there will be mistake signings like Huet. But like I said you don't even get opportunities to sign players like Matthews every year maybe once-a-decade type FA opportunity!


I dont have a problem signing Matthews as a UFA, quiet the opposite. I just disagreed with you saying it will be "years" before the rebuild is over.

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If this were to happen Chicago would be praying the cap has those big increases coming. Bedard may very well be a +10 million contract guy by the end of his ELC. Then add on all the young elite players that will want to get paid along beside him and trouble would be in the horizon


The COVID escrow is on course to be paid in full by the end of the 23-24 season. They are on schedule for the increases to go into effect over the next few years with a projected cap ceiling of $92.5M for the 26-27 season. There is no question about it... Unless there is another pandemic or season haulting event of some kind that causes major profit losses AND another agreement like the COVID loan.
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I dont have a problem signing Matthews as a UFA, quiet the opposite. I just disagreed with you saying it will be "years" before the rebuild is over.

"Help is on the way dear" - Mrs. Doubtfire


In one years time the Hawks will be closer to the playoff contention rather than draft lottery contention. I think that is a fair statment.
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17 août 2023 à 10 h 35
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The COVID escrow is on course to be paid in full by the end of the 23-24 season. They are on schedule for the increases to go into effect over the next few years with a projected cap ceiling of $92.5M for the 26-27 season. There is no question about it... Unless there is another pandemic or season haulting event of some kind that causes major profit losses AND another agreement like the COVID loan.


That means the Hawks are one of about 3 teams who will have the most available cap space over the next 3-5 years. They can afford to spend!
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17 août 2023 à 10 h 39
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Hossa didn't win prior to becoming a Hawk and that worked out well when they broke the bank for him when the cap was much smaller.


Hossa had also been to the Stanley Cup finals the two previous seasons before signing in Chicago, Mathew’s has been out of the first round once and then was MIA in round two against Florida. I’m not rewarding that with the highest per season contract.

On another note how is Marner overpaid but not Matthews?

Their regular season point per game average is extremely close; Marner = 1.09 ppg, Matthews = 1.13 ppg; and Marner holds more defensive value and Mariner’s playoff point per game average is better, although again they are very close; Marner = 0.94 ppg, Matthews = 0.88 ppg.
17 août 2023 à 10 h 40
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That means the Hawks are one of about 3 teams who will have the most available cap space over the next 3-5 years. They can afford to spend!


Sure. They "COULD". But, should they? I don't think so. They start spending now and they will be shooting themselves in the foot down the road when other players start needing contracts.

Unless, they are loading up and spending to the cap on very good players and throwing a wrench in the rebuild, Matthews won't be interested in joining a rebuilding team. But, CHI shouldn't be spending anywhere near the ceiling any time soon. If they were just buying him (and maybe one more good player) while still leaving a lot of cap flexibility, and he were willing to wait a few years to make a serious run, then I'd be interested. But I doubt that is the case.

Just stay the course and keep rebuilding through the draft and development.
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17 août 2023 à 10 h 42
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Hossa had also been to the Stanley Cup finals the two previous seasons before signing in Chicago, Mathew’s has been out of the first round once and then was MIA in round two against Florida. I’m not rewarding that with the highest per season contract.

On another note how is Marner overpaid but not Matthews?

Matthews is the far better player. The reason the Leafs suck is because of their defense not their offense. Hossa was on the Wings & Pens who had some HOF talent on thier back end. Matthews is playing with overpaid D who kill their cap.
Their regular season point per game average is extremely close; Marner = 1.09 ppg, Matthews = 1.13 ppg; and Marner holds more defensive value and Mariner’s playoff point per game average is better, although again they are very close; Marner = 0.94 ppg, Matthews = 0.88 ppg.
17 août 2023 à 10 h 43
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Sure. They "COULD". But, should they? I don't think so. They start spending now and they will be shooting themselves in the foot down the road when other players start needing contracts.

Unless, they are loading up and spending to the cap on very good players and throwing a wrench in the rebuild, Matthews won't be interested in joining a rebuilding team. But, CHI shouldn't be spending anywhere near the ceiling any time soon. If they were just buying him (and maybe one more good player) while still leaving a lot of cap flexibility, and he were willing to wait a few years to make a serious run, then I'd be interested. But I doubt that is the case.

Just stay the course and keep rebuilding through the draft and development.


Outside of Bedard can you guarantee any single prospect will be as good as Matthews or even has a decent shot of being at Matthews level?
17 août 2023 à 10 h 44
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Sure. They "COULD". But, should they? I don't think so. They start spending now and they will be shooting themselves in the foot down the road when other players start needing contracts.

Unless, they are loading up and spending to the cap on very good players and throwing a wrench in the rebuild, Matthews won't be interested in joining a rebuilding team. But, CHI shouldn't be spending anywhere near the ceiling any time soon. If they were just buying him (and maybe one more good player) while still leaving a lot of cap flexibility, and he were willing to wait a few years to make a serious run, then I'd be interested. But I doubt that is the case.

Just stay the course and keep rebuilding through the draft and development.


They still have 13 mil in cap space after signing Matthews they are basically paying Matthews what (Perry + Johnson + Foligno) make now that is not breaking the bank they have so much cap space even after signing an MVP player.
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The team I created by adding Matthews is not to examine the mystery of why the Leafs are snake bitten but rather to show the possibility of top talent being available and affordable to the Hawks. It is extremely interesting that there are Hawks fans who don't blink and eye and say "pass on Matthews", "Hawks don't need Matthews". I just find that type of logic baffling.
17 août 2023 à 10 h 54
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I strongly disagree, but that's alright. I think Chicago has many years before the rebuild is over. They got lucky with Bedard but still this isn't a playoffs team even with Bedard and Matthews on it.


I don't think they have "many" years. This season and next will continue the rebuild but the season after that they should be competing for sure. They have a pretty loaded pipeline of prospects and young players and tons of cap with free agency next summer and the summer after being strong.
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17 août 2023 à 10 h 55
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Hossa didn't win prior to becoming a Hawk and that worked out well when they broke the bank for him when the cap was much smaller.


Hossa had a lot more success than Matthews has had in the playoffs, reaching the cup finals 2 or 3 times prior to the Hawks.
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Outside of Bedard can you guarantee any single prospect will be as good as Matthews or even has a decent shot of being at Matthews level?


No. But that is irrelevant. That cap space will be eaten up or needed way faster than most people think. Now is not the time to be spending. And, again, the only way they attract a guy like Matthews is if they are spending a lot, loading up the roster, and going for deep playoff runs. I highly doubt Davidson is willing to spend to the ceiling and throw a wrench in the rebuild just to attract Matthews, that go against his entire philosophy. The only way they do this, is if Matthews is willing to be patient with the rebuild. But, if he leaves TOR, it is probably because he isn't willing to be patient anymore.

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They still have 13 mil in cap space after signing Matthews they are basically paying Matthews what (Perry + Johnson + Foligno) make now that is not breaking the bank they have so much cap space even after signing an MVP player.


I don't think you realize how quickly and easily $13M can be used up. Even with the planned increases, it isn't enough, and the higher the ceiling, the bigger the piece of the pie will be for the players.
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17 août 2023 à 10 h 57
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Outside of Bedard can you guarantee any single prospect will be as good as Matthews or even has a decent shot of being at Matthews level?


Matthews isn't a top 3 player in the league; top 5 okay. He's not worth $15M to the Hawks where they are at. The next two summers of free agency are very strong, but next summer is a bit early for the Hawks to be throwing big money around. Wait another year and then go big.
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