Sabres trade is very unlikely
We signed 2 RD on July1
Doubt we are looking to acquire another one,
especially since we also have Jokiharju & Dahlin has been playing the right side

it'd be an upgrade on all of them, but only for 2 years. Petry's getting old. I agree, except that they should be ok on RD.

The “upgrade” from Mantha to Dvorak is debatable. The Capitals will not be willing to take on an additional year of Dvorak (even with the retention) and also pay a significant price. No Thanks. Much rather just keep Mantha.

It’s not a significant enough upgrade to put a guy we just signed in the Pressbox though
RD1 Dahlin
RD2 Clifton
RD3 E.Johnson
RD4 Jokiharju

And frankly, I’m not a big fan of Petry, so idk if I’d even agree he’s an upgrade at all

But even more to the point,
our GM targeted 2 players on July1 to add to our Right side & got them
He’s happy with that (obviously)
And we are very unlikely to make another move with the defense

Petry was available all along, & we never even called about him
Obviously we just aren’t interested

Thank God, I'd much rather have Dvo at $4.4m than Mantha at $7.9m

Make that 2nd a 3rd and I probably would do that deal for Petry. Dahlin can always move back to his Natural side at LD and Samuelsson can drop to 3rd pair for know until they see if Clifton or Petry can work with Dahlin. If one of them can it makes for a pretty strong 6 at D
Dahlin Clifton/Petry
Power Petry/Clifton
Samuelsson Johnson

Petry gives you a responsible defensive option on the right. Jokiharju does not provide that. I’d be shocked if he isn’t part of the trade.

That’s a much more balanced defence than keeping Jokiharju.

Yeah and then next year if need be Samuelsson and Dahlin can pair back up and Ryan Johnson takes 3LD and Petry can mentor him for a year.

Man this is just **** spin. Why don’t you call it what it is; Mantha at $7.9 + (2) 2nd Rd Picks or Dvorak at $8.8M and NOTHING. Fortunatrly you don’t have to choose, you get Dvorak no matter how badly you (and everyone else) don’t want him.

You're right, I don't want Mantha and I'm sure we will find him a better home at one point in time. Meanwhile he is a very reliable center that I wouldn't mind to keep, even for the next 2 years. As for his cap, we really don't care as we have plenty for the upcoming 2 years.

That being said, you can keep Mantha.

Jokiharju is our 4th RD
We don’t need to trade for Petry to put him on the bench

Idk why Habs fans won’t accept that the Sabres aren’t interested???
It’s just not gonna happen
Sorry, but you’ll have to face up to it

Buff36 thinks we’re gonna break up our top pair for some reason, but that’s unlikely
Samuelsson-Dahlin
Power-Clifton/E.Johnson
That’s our top 2 pairs, which will get a ton of icetime
3rd pair gonna get about 12min or so a night

We’re all set

Doesn't matter what I think, I just think it makes us a better team. And Petry wouldn't be on the bench, he would be in are top 4. He is better than Johnson and the only basic difference between Clifton and Petry is that Petry has proven he can play 22min while Clifton never has. Jesus these are all fake trades.

Mantha is so much better than Dvorak. No way. Not even with the retention is this worth it for the caps.

SO WEIRD that Petry didn’t get traded to the Sabres
It’s almost like Sabres fans were telling Habs fans all along that it wasn’t gonna happen, hmmmmm…. 🤣🤣🤣


Nice return u guys got btw, lol
So much for getting that top prospect &/or a 1st

Gustav Lidstrom is a better piece to have than Lybushkin

Agreed
But u still didn’t get the crazy return a lot of your fellow Habs fans were saying you’d get
To your credit, your above proposal was pretty close in value to what u guys actually got- not bad


Also, Sabres were NEVER gonna trade for Petry
U guys were told- over & over & over
Maybe take that, & listen to us next time?
For example:
The Sabres also have ZERO INTEREST in Jake Allen
They absolutely won’t trade for him either

Just saying……..

No one will trade for Allen.

Is this opinion based on anything? Because I see two forwards who underperform but one is making 5.7 million and the other at 50% is only 2.3.

Please relay that to your fellow fans on here
We’re getting peppered with Allen to Buffalo trade proposals

I’d take Dvorak
He at least provides value as a 2way Center

He’s actually 1 guy on the Habs i could see the Sabres being interested in at some point this season
Don’t think we’d give a ton for him though

Oh boy. I sure am glad you asked.

Dvorak has 2 years left on his contract versus Mantha's 1. The AAV differs by 1.3M, which isn't negligible, but 2x4.45 is 8.9 whereas 1x5.7 is just 5.7 last time I checked. So even if we're looking at them both as cap dumps, it will cost more to dump Dvorak. Let's look at production now.

Mantha: 11G-16A in 67GP
Dvorak: 10G-18A in 64GP

Dvorak had slightly better numbers, but legitimately negligible. However, Dvorak had far less competition for ice time on Montreal. Dvorak's ATOI for the 22-23 season was 16:52, whereas Mantha's was 14:13. Dvorak on average was getting an extra two and a half minutes per game and did nothing with that time. Not to mention that Dvorak had 118 minutes on the PP versus Mantha's 59, literally exactly half. Dvorak should've way outscored Mantha due to his deployment. Dvorak's career high in points is also only 38, which he hit in 19-20. Mantha's is 48, which he hit in back to back seasons in 17-18 and 18-19, which I'll concede was a long time ago, but I'm still betting on Mantha over Dvorak given those track records.

Dvorak is a serviceable two way center? Dvorak over the course of the season threw 13 hits, had 66 blocks (decent for a forward, nothing spectacular), and had a Takeaway-Giveaway differential of -14. That's awful. That isn't a good two way center. Not to mention he had a CF of 42.5%, which is also atrocious. He hasn't posted a CF% over 50% (which is average) since 2019-20. There's nothing good about Dvorak's defensive game other than his painfully average FOW% of 52%.

Comparing those numbers to Mantha: 68 hits, 24 blocks, -10 takeaway giveaway differential. Not much better in terms of defense, but at least he hits someone once a game. The real difference here is his 53.1% CF. This is the lowest CF% Mantha has EVER had in his career and it's still 10% better than Dvorak's season. Literally over 10 percentage points better than Dvorak. And before you say something like "well the caps are better than the habs so he should have better numbers;" the caps finished 8th worst in the league and had only 4 more wins than the habs.

I haven't even talked about Laviolette's deployment of Mantha, but at this point, I've made my point. Dvorak is garbage and has little to no redeeming qualities whereas Mantha had his deployment screwed by an awful coach (good luck rangers). I'll take one year of Mantha over two of Dvorak. It isn't even close, not even in the same ballpark. Mantha at least has a chance to bounce back and has good underlying numbers, whereas Dvorak's numbers all say he is what he is; a cap dump.

While there is significant retention in this deal, it still does not even close to justify the caps paying two second round picks to swap Mantha for a far inferior player. Dvorak is not an upgrade in the slightest.

To further expand this point, go to https://hockeymon.streamlit.app/ because honestly I don't know where else to get THIS specific information for free, but compare the numbers for Dvorak and Mantha and you will find that even though Mantha has mightily struggled to produce, he is a far more positive impact player than Dvorak. Like, not even close.

Thank you for sharing an opinion that’s well informed and not simply not wanting to trade a player on your team because you like him or some silly reason. I see your side of it and respect it. I still don’t think Mantha is worth roughly 3.4 million dollars more than Dvorak for this season. Ultimately we don’t have to move Dvorak until next season.

I understand. I think the Habs are probably better off just holding onto Dvorak because he could realistically turn it around and have a better season and prop up his value. Even if he just plays at the level of a decent middle 6 winger, he'll fetch something of value for that cap hit.