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Créé par: Mr_Gardoki
Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 20 juill. 2023
Publié: 23 juill. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
1.
PIT
  1. Barabanov, Alexander
  2. Karlsson, Erik (5 000 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
The $5M retention is split between SJ & CHI
The 2nd & Poulin are for Barabanov
SJS
  1. Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
  2. O'Connor, Drew [Droits de RFA]
  3. Petry, Jeff
  4. Poulin, Samuel
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
  6. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (PIT)
  7. Choix de 3e ronde en 2026 (PIT)
2.
PIT
    $2M Retention
    CHI
    1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (PIT)
    Détails additionnels:
    $2M Retention
    Rachats de contrats
    Enfoui
    Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
    2024
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    Logo de PIT
    Logo de PIT
    Logo de NYR
    2025
    Logo de PIT
    Logo de PIT
    Logo de PIT
    Logo de PIT
    Logo de PIT
    2026
    Logo de PIT
    Logo de PIT
    Logo de PIT
    Logo de PIT
    Logo de PIT
    Logo de PIT
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2283 500 000 $80 200 175 $0 $0 $3 299 825 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
    AG, AD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    8 700 000 $8 700 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    AD, AG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 5
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    6 100 000 $6 100 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
    AD, AG
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Logo de Sharks de San Jose
    2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    2 450 000 $2 450 000 $
    C
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    775 000 $775 000 $
    AD, AG
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    900 000 $900 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
    C, AD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    3 125 000 $3 125 000 $
    AD, C
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    800 000 $800 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
    DG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 6
    Logo de Sharks de San Jose
    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    DD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    5 375 000 $5 375 000 $
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 5
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    4 025 175 $4 025 175 $
    DG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    6 100 000 $6 100 000 $
    DD
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    775 000 $775 000 $
    DG/DD
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
    800 000 $800 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1

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    6 août 2023 à 13 h 51
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    It's just all the arguments people made against me on why none of this would happen or what we'd ultimately give up, was wrong. This specific scenario I posted was clearly a bit of a wishful thinking one wanting Barabanov, but the arguments that some used as to what we'd have to pay to make things happen was just so wildly off.


    Well, every teams needs are different. So they aren't really that wildly off. Dubas lucked out finding a third team in MTL that could address some needs taking on those contracts, and so they ended up not having to pay as much. But, that team never would have been CHI. CHI would have been a last resort, and if CHI was the last resort they probably would've charged A LOT more to facilitate that trade. Luckily there was some familiarity with Petry going back to MTL, and they need a stop gap RHD. I think SJS definitely got the crap end of the entire deal. Especially if PIT makes the playoffs and even more so if they go on a long playoff run and the pick ends up very late.
    6 août 2023 à 13 h 56
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    Quoting: Garak
    Well, every teams needs are different. So they aren't really that wildly off. Dubas lucked out finding a third team in MTL that could address some needs taking on those contracts, and so they ended up not having to pay as much. But, that team never would have been CHI. CHI would have been a last resort, and if CHI was the last resort they probably would've charged A LOT more to facilitate that trade. Luckily there was some familiarity with Petry going back to MTL, and they need a stop gap RHD. I think SJS definitely got the crap end of the entire deal. Especially if PIT makes the playoffs and even more so if they go on a long playoff run and the pick ends up very late.


    They were wildly off in thinking we'd to give up all our prospects, not to mention that we don't have the prospects to make it happen.
    That we'd have to spend all of our picks just to move Granlund and Petry.
    6 août 2023 à 14 h 7
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    They were wildly off in thinking we'd to give up all our prospects, not to mention that we don't have the prospects to make it happen.
    That we'd have to spend all of our picks just to move Granlund and Petry.


    Again, Dubas lucked out finding teams with needs that could be addressed on the cheap. I'm actually surprised MTL got as much as they did with them also shedding Hoffman's contract on top of it. I figured that would've been closer to an even swap. But, SJS really had ZERO leverage. They played chicken and lost, big time. That 1st round pick will be VERY important for them to get right and make it all ok. Honestly, though, their rebuild was always going to be longer than they thought it would be. But, who knows, Hoffman, Granlund and Rutta could turn things around in SJS, and be valuable for them. Only time will tell.
    6 août 2023 à 14 h 53
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    garak
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    So yeah, CHI wasn't part of it, but leverage my friends.

    The Pens moved Granlund, Petry, Rutta, 1st, 2nd and a bum prospect like Legare. So we dumped three contracts that EVERYONE said NOBODY WANTED and we'd need to give all these picks and prospects in order to trade. Oh yeah, We don't have the PROSPECTS ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE THESE DEALS.

    So again, NONE OF YOU have any idea what leverage means and Dubas not only did that, he got a 3rd out of it and a decent depth forwards to boot.

    EDIT: Oh my bad, DeSmith too. NOBODY WANTED HIM!!!!


    I'm not quite sure what you're crowing about here, at least with respect to my comment. Here it is, quoted verbatim:

    "I think that $8 million in retention costs more than a future third. Maybe Petry would like to play in The Windy City?

    Start by taking Barabanov out of the deal. Pittsburgh has enough trouble putting together a sufficient package for Karlsson with big retention, never mind a 0.75 PPG forward too; you might get a prospect or some window-dressing but not Barabanov. O'Connor is a fourth-line forward with limited trade value and Poulin hasn't shown that he's an NHLer yet, so he has virtually none; Mike Grier isn't sitting in his office saying "Boy, I sure would like to land Pierre-Olivier Joseph" or "Boy, I sure would like to land Jeff Petry"."

    So I was right -- you didn't get Barabanov, or anything close to him, included in the deal. And you didn't get $5 million in retention -- you got essentially nothing except $1.5 million for the final two years.

    None of the remainder of your comment applies to me in any way whatsoever. But it does reinforce how little weight we should give to your pronouncements, because declaring victory when neither @garak nor I were wrong is prototypical.
    30 sept. 2023 à 0 h 33
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    Quoting: RicXX
    Obviously you are the one with no clue, Pitts has no leverage at all... and I'm done with this troll...


    Hey, so this didn't age well. Love how wrong you were.
     
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