Stop Winnipeg say NO F*** NO.

I think they say F*** Yes

What's going on with Laffy? I don't see many Rangers games. Is it mental or physical? Rangers fans, please help me out. Is he worth a late round fantasy hockey pick?

So glad you are not the GM.

And I'm glad you aren't either!

You are entitled to be wrong

Nothing. Just Rags fans suck. They want a roster full of ex superstars and the picks to make 90 + points on the 3rd line.

I thought Laffy played well with the Kid Line. I still think he can be very good. The talent is there.

As are you dude! The longer you stay narrow minded the harder life will be

Rangers can't fit both of those players into their cap and also the value isn't close to being enough for Laf.

Pass

It is. NYR just don't develop well. But he be fine. 39 points on 3rd line isn't awful. I think he had like 2 pp points last year. He clearly isn't mcdavid, maybe they thought he be that and can't handle it emotionally?

I'm the least barrow minded person you could meet. Please provide a rational explanation for Winnipeg to consider this? While I really like Goodie he's massively overpaid. LAFRENIÈRE has been meh at best and looks like he's going to be Brett Connelly. Right now Alex iafallo is the best player and Appleton is as good as Goodrow at approximately 2/3 the price.

Lots of pressure on Laffy coming out of his draft. "Generational" player gets thrown around too much these days. Stutzle went 3OA and he's already a star. Even he got off to a rough start until he figured it out.

I can't figure Laffy out. The effort is certainly there. So is the talent. But he needs to be able to adapt to what his opponent is giving him. Maybe he's pressing too hard? I don't know.

I always believe the cream rising to the top. So we'll find out. But not many young players can make the jump from junior to pros and thrive right away. Some don't thrive at all. Like Zadina in Detroit for example.

Rangers don't even consider that trade offer.

Depends what your categories are. I think he just hasn't been given a real shot. He should get a chance on the top line to see what he can do and build some confidence. 1st overall carries a heavy bag until he finds his way.

Goodrow and Winnipeg say no.

He hasn't been given a real and honest chance. Hughes and Stuzle etc all had regular top 6 opportunities. But we will see. I think he is already a good top 9 forward. I think he definitely can become top 6 one.

Jets would take that and run but Barclay declines.

He's a 21 y.o. with approximately 50 goals and 100 pts in 200 games, while stuck on a 3rd line of a contender team.

Nothing is wrong with him. People are just impatient.

"If you give up on a 21-year-old player, in hockey or in anything in life, you don't have a lot of patience"
- Martin St-Louis on Dach, Nov 14th 2022

Winnipeg, whether they admit or not are going into at least a small rebuild. Perfetti looks good when he isn't hurt, Chaz Lucius looks promising and Lambert has had moments.
If\When Scheifele and Hellebuyck leave like they are expected too, Winnipeg will start losing which will probably make them sellers and they will consider moving Connor with 3yrs and almost certainly trade Ehlers who only has 2yrs left.
Iafallo is good but, has stayed around 30-40 points his entire 6 year career (last year might have hit high 40's, if healthy), good 2way player as well, which shouldn't be ignored.
Laf however is 8yrs younger, has improved his point total every year and has missed 4 games in 3yrs.
Why hold onto a 29yr old that you know what he is and not take a chance on a 21yr old that can improve and you know is at about equal value point wise with the 29yr old already?
Goodrow is a good player\good guy who is overpaid and for term, which makes his value a negative but, I still see Laf as a high value player.
Hypothetically, if it would cost a single 3rd rounder to take 1yr at 3.6mil, it would take 4 3rd rounders to move Goodrow. I think Laf has a significantly higher value than Iafallo, close to a 1st rounders worth of value but, that's only my opinion.
Now could I see the NYR needing to add a mid level pick 3rd or 4th rounder to also get Appleton, sure but, it's close IMO

I mean, if you look at the cap space, even carrying 2 scratched players, the Rangers are under the cap so, they can afford both guys.
Plus you need to consider, it's not only acquiring players but, trading away Goodrow's tough contract.
Hypothetically, to clear 3.6mil in cap space it would probably cost 1 3rd round pick, for Goodrow you need to clear that 4times.
To say it's not close to fair, is to make the argument that Laf is worth more than Iafallo, Appleton and 4 3rd round picks, which is up for debate but, to say it's not close is a stretch, and makes me assume you've never seen Iafallo play, he's a good 2way player who consistently gets 30-40points and kills penalties, he's also from the state of New York which doesn't hurt.

Of course Appleton and Iaffalo aren't bad players I'm not gonna argue against that, but:
-first off the market for high-salary non-RFA players right now is terrible because of the flat cap, so Iaffalo already doesn't have a lot of value.
-Appleton isn't very valuable off the bat since his point production is mid.
-High upside young talent has always been very valuable even when it has been unjustified, Dach went for a mid 1st and a 3rd, Newhook went for a late 1st and a 2nd, Griffin Reinhart went for a mid 1st and a 2nd, and there are more examples of this.

I guess with dumping Goodrow's contract you can say it is close to fair value, I'll concede on that. But I still don't understand the point of this trade, I know we're in a win-now situation but it would be terrible asset management to trade Laf while his value is low when we can still bank on his upside. And with this we're not even getting anything spectacular in return, Laf is supposed to be a pillar of our future yet we're trading him for supporting lineup players, no main cogs. We shouldn't be calling teams shopping Laf, teams should be calling us since we have no reason to trade him.

I'm sure the NYR want to keep him as long as they can but, in a win now, you want roster flexibility, the trade does that as both players are moveable if needed and Goodrow(M-NTC + cap hit) isn't as simple, you want guys with defined type roles, both follow that, Iafallo being a 3rd liner PK guy who can jump up to the top 6 if needed and Appleton a 4th line grinder who I have on the 3rd until playoffs and Kane magically becomes healthy and takes Wheeler's spot and Wheeler takes Appleton's.
The longer you hold Laf and you don't give him consistent top 6 minutes with PP time and his numbers potentially stagnate, then his value starts droping and you'll get less for him but, you're right if Reinhart kept his value without showing any promise, Laf should have some time still.
Even if it's next year and not this one, they'll need to make some cap decisions soon with Miller and Shesterkin coming in 2 years and Lindgren and Kakko next year, unless Drury convinces guys to take less you won't be able to keep everyone.

That's why giving him top 6 time is the solution, and honestly I think it's the only way the Rangers can contend this year. They're not getting anywhere unless Laf starts living up to his potential.

Also next year Trouba's and Kreider's contract becomes tradeable, both of which would be cap dumps but judging from other teams fan reactions on a Trouba trade it doesn't seem like Rangers would have to send much if any additional value to dump him with the cap increase coming in. And Kreider I'm pretty sure shouldn't be too hard to trade either since he's still a very serviceable player. Getting rid of one of those contracts and buying out Goodrow will fix their cap problems.