So you want Pittsburgh to pay you to dump granlund and yet you have him stealing top 6 ice time from the youngsters ?! So we had to suffer through a rebuild onnly not to develop the assets we acquired ?!

Oh and harris >> spence

Also, while salf by all means didn't have an impressive rookie season he also didn't have a bad one, he still the best prospect out of the 2022 draft and if you know anyone about hockey and the history of big tall European draft picks they take time to develop unless your name is ovechkin who's a freak of nature even 20 years later

MTL rolls 4 lines with emphasis on Special teams for minutes
4th line and 1st line have a difference of 3 shifts on average.
They always roll 4 line whether its Martin , Therrien , Julien ,Ducharme, or MSL
This is like Widely known by all with eyes and ears

Edit

What i thought was obvious is Granlunds there for Faceoff Support

Habs potentially have 2 full lines fighting for an NHL spot
And 4-5 defenseman fighting for a spot yet somehow you managed to make both of our defense and offence worse while not developing even one kid from the farm system

Only if you're sitting on your shoulders.
Make a point ill counter it with intellect rather then just taking away from the conversation while adding nothing of value to it.

I'm not surprised this is your reaction... you just realized i proved your moves are pointless

No you said nothing really just rambled about nothing specific
im still waiting for a Point to be made so i can counter it.
If you're talking about your Generalized Ignorance i can address that if you wish
But id rather you just make a specific point but i digress

Generalized complaint 1
-Defensive Timeline

Mathesons Signing Bonus's are all paid off but 2m in the final year after July 1st 2024. Its likely during the 2024-25 season he's traded.
Guhle is a top dog who has grown steadily and will continue to .
Barron is a great PP player like Petry who's learning to expand his game all around with some growing pains but plays well with Matheson and Guhle.
Xhekaj is a great player with a great shot who in 50 games outscored Roman's goal total while offering the same consistency or better everywhere else .
Kovacevic was an Anchor and my like Edmundston at his age is a depth guy who provides size , reach and boring consistency defensively.
Beaudin is only here cause he/Barron in the AHL combined in 20 games for more PP points then the rest of the team combined for the year. (Lavals PP sucked after Barron left)


Beaudin's there to gain value so we can trade him
Hutson is Clearly coming up after this season IMO hence leaving the space for him to be inserted organically.
It may get tight for a year when Hutson comes in but as it stands minutes add up if you sit down and do the math.

Matheson 20-24
Guhle 20-22
Barron at 18-22
Kovacevic 18-20
Spence 16-18
Xhekaj 16-18

They receive Ice Time boosts based on their special teams importance. 16-18 for Spence may seem lite but for a rookie thats quite well.
He'll clearly push Kovacevic out in time as needed. There's really no reason to complain with the D we have to call up in our AHL system

Generalized complaint 2
-Fowards

As far as Forwards We got no one fighting for a spot im concerned about
They're Waiver Exempt almost entirely for those who you might deem "need " minutes
With Hoffman, Pitlick and Monahan gone after this year , Then Dvorak, Evans,Armia , Granlund after next year
Where's this lack of minutes you keep belly aching about but wont specify?

You live to Generalize and when people try to get you to make a specific point you try to divert their attention by Generalizing more lol
I stick to the points in context which is why im still waiting for you to make one thats valid
Although "im not surprised this is your reaction"

you might say you are done with tanking, but this team is gonna tank hard.

I would accept that offer as the Los Angeles GM.

Your planned usage of Granlund proves he's not a cap dump, so Pittsburgh wouldn't pay that much to get rid of him.

or proves you cant read?
I cant put him on 4th to make those with less knowledge more comofortable.
But MTL rolls 4 lines and there's like 2-3 shifts difference tops

But whatever lets change the entire system cause you're too lazy to read, right ?
Done , i accommodated your ignorance

The value of a player varies from team to team. For example, the value of a 6/7 defenseman is far different to a team which has only 4 defenders as opposed to a team that has 8 of them on the roster. The fact that a bad team like Montreal may use a player in a higher capacity than Pittsburgh establishes only his value to Montreal; Granlund is of little use to Pittsburgh and whatever worth that use is to the Penguins is far outweighed by Pittsburgh's need to get rid of his cap hit. To put it another way, to Pittsburgh Granlund's chief significance is that his departure is worth more than his presence; to Montreal, they'd rather have Granlund than a rookie. It's the Penguins that by far have the greatest motivation to consummate this transfer, and thus would be the team more likely to overpay.

I did read the description. Part of being a good GM (or just a good salesperson in general) is knowing the value or your player (product) to someone else... Granlund's value to the Pens is the reason they want to trade him. His value to another team is what set's the trade value. If another team really wants him, then the price goes up for him (this is what the Pen's hope for). Obviously, his value to other teams isn't that high, so they won't pay much for him, but that doesn't mean that the Pen's have to OVERPAY to get rid of him. There are other ways to get move a player from your team. They could buy him out, send him down, (give him an allergy to his equipment), etc. Because of the options, that reduces the ability for another team to demand for overpayment to take a player.