COL declines easily.
Whilst Toews for Nylander is close, Lehkonen is MILES more valuable than Liljegren , MILES

Okay, I was think about adding prospects and a first on the leafs side but I think that makes no sense because avs are in win now mode so I left it as it was. The trade I had in mind was

Willy liljegren niemela 1st

Toews lekky

But the futures going to avs don’t make sense because of win now mode. They want impactnplayers now. That’s why I left it

I mean, I still think the Avs would take prospects and picks on top of an existing offer. They’re in win now mode but they’re not going to take lesser offers for no reason just bc there are also futures included.

Hope the rib heals.

Avs would just extend Toews at that contract and keep both guys.

yeah, nothing really the leafs can offer that makes sense for lehky in that trade. as always, the toews - nylander trade values line up okay at best (toews is older but elite at premium position, nylander is younger but wing-only) but do not address team needs at all

Only way I see the Hawks taking Murray is with a 1st or with one of Minten/Niemela and a decent pick (2nd-4th). Leafs are only team Murray as first buyout window is closed.

I wanted to leave it as it was to bear feed back on it first. I’d gladly make that trade I I just mentioned if avs would accept

Thanks for the kind words. It’s been a week and a half now and I’m definitely more comfortable

Yeah same for me, I’m just poking around to try new offers out

I think Murray's getting bought out they will try to eat the 2M next season

Robertson to Chicago for futures sure or he rehabs with the Marlies

The Colorado trade is stellar in my opinion hands down that's a nice move.

Moving Brodie Arizona covering some money for a pick I don't know much about ruuta but a NHL proven defense returned also very nice

I think Murray's bought out for sure hopefully just working through those details in management personally there's such worst buyouts around the league I don't even think it's much if an issue anymore...I think Minnesota is paying Parise $7M right now lol embarrassing

Nylander is way more valuable than Toews, lehkonen puts it just above Nylander even it out with Lilegren...it's a good deal.

Colorado needs more fire upfront that's why it's adventagous as well

But the deal just straight up makes no sense for COL right now to begin with. They are trying to compete for a cup right now. This trade creates holes in their top 2 lines and the prospects and picks don’t help right now

I'd like the Leafs to sign Caleb Jones and force Gio to retire I believe he's done.

This is just factually wrong lol.

Rental for a rental, Toews is close in value to Nylander. If you want to talk with extensions, they are even closer in value when you consider Nylanders trying to swing for the fences on a new deal at 9+ mil. The gap between Lehkonen and Liljegren is 3x the gap between Toews and Nylander.

COLs offensive firepower is just fine. Top 10 last year with no Landeskog and a slew of other injuries all over the lineup.

That’s what I said

Ok well Colorado was 12th in goals per game 2.71

And Toews is second best defenseman or will he be third best with Byram

But I guess I do understand your argument but my opinion is Nylander is worth 2 Devon Toews even as good of a defenseman as he is.

I think nylanders worth 2 of any teams second best defensemen just my opinion

I think the GF/G you are looking at for COL was playoff stats only? I’m seeing closer to 3.3, not 2.7.

I think using the stance that Toews is COLs second best defenseman is flawed because he’d be a #1 on most teams because not everyone has a Cale Makar..

I think Toews > Reilly everyday of the week to be honest. Toews is just so well rounded and I think he’d even sign for less than Reilly’s 7.5mil

2nd best defenseman behind the best defenseman in the league like he's jake mccabe out here lol. He'd be your #1. Toews would be #1 D for half the league. Avs like their D core as is and have no interest in locking in 3 9mil+ forwards right now like the leafs are. Toews and Makar is magic and they aren't gonna split it up if they don't have to

Toews is better than Reilly and will sign for more money. I'm guessing closer to 8-8.5 AAV.



In the regular season, the Avs were 11th in GF/G and 9th in GA/G with 450+ man games lost. There is just no need to move a Top 15 D for a more expensive winger that doesn't defend. Avs offense was 0.05 GF/G behind Toronto last season. I don't see any reason to add an expensive wing until next summer, and that would only be if Landy doesn't recover to a point where he can return.

If Toews is willing to take a 5x7, he is by far the most valuable piece in this trade for the Avs style of play. Toews is excellent in transition, which is the hallmark of this Avs team.

Easy decline for the Avs for the reasons stated by others above. It's not even close. If Toews is willing to do that contract they'd sign him to it and keep him and Lehky.

All the best with the recovery btw!

Oh dang yeah tied for 10th at 3.34

Yeah I got ahead of myself because second best to Makar is like drasaitel to McDavid

At the same time my point is also that Nylander can be a good teams #1 option upfront also I believe, ofcourse on Colorado he's not #1 but he would be great the #2 option

Toews is great I think he's better than Reilly but I also think they're in the same tier as #1 options on the backend meaning only the most elite are above them yeah I guess I can agree this trade is probably swayed in favour of Toronto but depends on how you rate lehkonen I'd have to say

I think Toews for Nylander is pretty close after the points you made I was a bit off I still think Nylander is more valuable he's in the top elite of the league considering he's being compared with Matthews, Marner and Toews is in the second tier of the good defensemen but it's close Toews is very valuable

That's where I stand now lol

This argument for value doesn’t make much sense. Toews is probably a top 15D in the league, top 20 conservatively. Just because he’s on the same team as Makar doesn’t devalue him. Two Toews for Nylander is WILD.

Ok I addressed that already I was a bit ridiculous with that comment lol

Lehkonen is more valuable to the Avs than his trade return would be. He is stapled to MacKinnon's left on the top line 5v5 because of his solid 2way game and his ability to forecheck and backcheck relentlessly allowing MacK to exert more energy on offense. He is also one of our best PKers and can fill in on the top PP when injuries arise. For everything he does for the Avs, 4.5M AAV is a steal.