Reavsy and Wilson going for enemies to best friends 😩

Leafs fans must struggle with reading.

Wilson isn’t being moved.

He isn't worth Nylander anyways especially a signed one

this makes the leafs significantly worse. I like the toughness add but they already have Reaves, Domi, Bertuzzi. Where they really need to add toughness is on the blue line they should have kept Schenn, that right side is gettin bent over.

That Knee injury especially has me concerned

If im moving Willy 3 teams make sense rn

1. CBJ
2. CAR
3. SEA

I would have paid that for jarnkrok 2 weeks ago easily, but now leafs have a cap problem and the Avs have a mostly full roster and not enough cap space for that kind of bottom 6 player.

Nylander signed at $10M (?), yeah don’t worry the Caps certainly aren’t trading Wilson for anything to do with contract.

And if you want to actually win in the playoffs, Tom Wilson at $6.5M does a hell of a lot more for any team than Nylander at $10M.

What has Wilson done to help you win in the playoffs? If only it was still that one time where he had some moments while Ovie willed his way to a cup. Everything else doesn't matter just that one time.

No one makes sense. CBJ won't let go of Fantilli and have nothing else worthwhile. Carolina is going say Pesce is close, he isn't, not remotely. And Seattle won't give up Beniers and after that we are looking at quantity for quality meaning Nylander for 2 roster players that won't add up to what Willy does. Just sign him

In general 2/3 target u mention are unrealistic and the third the team would have to add.

Why target the unrealistic when u can look at a pkg similar to what Horvat or PLD got

Cause Nylander isnt in the realm of being worth a 2nd OA pick prospect like Beniers or 3rd OA pick like Fantilli

If we look at what PLD who was the 3OA pick he got he 11 OA pick Vilardi + top 9 wing Iaffalo + 20th OA pick Kupari

For CBJ look at realistic targets like Sillinger + Peeke and other assets

or Seattle guys like Bjorkstrand + Kartye etc

I guess the two teams I guessed, calgary and washington, are cause i thought they were teams he would sign to like calgary he grew up in and his mentor backstrom in washington

CGY doesnt have the cap space to make him work and he makes no sense for them rn. As the last thing they need is 2 10mill wings

Washington has nothing we want

And the leafs lose both of those trades by huge margins. Doesn't make us better now, and certainly doesn't down the road.

He did not grow up in Calgary. He grew up in Sweden. His dad played in Calgary for 2 years when Willy was born and then went to Washington for a couple of years but his childhood was essentially spent in Sweden mainly. He does not consider Calgary or Washington home.

Not really lul

Nobody can complain to what Horvat or PLD got especially WPG as Vilardi has the potential to be better or the same to PLD + they get a nice bottom 6 C in Kupari and top 9 wing in Iaffalo

As in the end your not winning a Nylander trade. You may break even but in this flat cap u aint winning unless someone is desperate but if someone was he would be gone rn

If Toronto got a PKG similar to what WPG got for PLD or Van for Horvat 0 complaints

As you would get guys who u can use throughout your lineup along with the FA additions like Domi and Bertuzzi will already add to our goal scoring

Cause in the end we got 3 options

1. Give Willy 10mill
2. Trade him for the best pkg possible (be realistic)
3. Let him walk for nothing

Nylander is better than both Horvat and PLD. He gets criminally underrated because he's not as good as Matthews and Marner (sometimes but when he's on, he may be better than Marner). He's way better than Horvat who's just a 2nd line centre. And PLD is also just a 2nd line centre. One of the reasons TO is so good is because they have Nylander as their 3rd best player. There are not many teams who's 3rd best player is as good as Willy. Many teams don't have a player better than Willy.

Alright I can see you dont know what your talking about now. Centers have more value

Nylander is a wing and even if he was better teams dont pay high for Wings unless they 100+ point RFA's like Tkachuck. PLD whose a 2C in a sign and trade got a young top 9 C, a top 9 wing, and a bottom 6 C. Horvat with no extension got a 1st + Top 9 wing + High B/Low A level prospect

Nylander's value rn is on par with what Horvat with no extension or if he does a sign and trade slightly less than what PLD got if u cant see it I cant help u cause teams can go why should I pay more for this guy when I can wait for him to become a FA

In the end we got 3 options

1. Give Willy 10mill and be more cap spent on 4 guys
2. Trade him for the best pkg possible (like PLD or Horvat)
3. Let him walk for nothing

We still got some leverage but its gonna slip more and more away as the season goes by

Centres have more value when all things are equal but to say a 40 goal, over a point a game game breaker is worth less than a below average defensively 2C (Horvat) or a maybe 60 point 2c with size (PLD) is just buying into the leaf hate. Nylander has scored the 22nd most goals in the league over the past 3 seasons and 23rd most points. Regardless of his position, that's impressive and extremely valuable. Everyone in that range makes around 10 million. Willy is immensely valuable to say otherwise is just silly

Does not matter as rn as mentioned before u got 3 choices

1. Give Willy 10mill and be more cap spent on 4 guys
2. Trade him for the best pkg possible (like PLD or Horvat)
3. Let him walk for nothing

Cause if we wont give him 10m there will be some desperate team out there who will especially with this projected cap jump. Teams pay more for C's then wings and if Toronto asks for more than what PLD got doubt anyone gives it putting Toronto in a predicament similar to CGY and Gaudreau

If he wont agree to something under 10 best to trade him for something like PLD or Horvat and move on. As Tree is not allowing what happened last year with Gaudreau to occur again

Nylander's defensive numbers are atrocious indicating he just skates in around in a circle when he's in his own end. Not a lot of coaches are going to give guys that much leeway defensively and not punish them.

His defensive numbers arent the best but when hes motivated man is he scary. And thats what frustrates Keefe as that guy shows it one game and then poof another leading to some benchings. Now teams looking for more scoring will be calling as often teams like a healthy mix of everything and for a team like SEA or CAR he would be an excellent addition

As for value higher than a Center even with 40 goals is pushing lul.

Thats why I say PLD or Horvat packages are what's realistic rn as if we ask for more teams will go no and then we could potentially lose him for nothing like CGY with Gaudreau

Why are we giving him 10 million? That's not how negotiations work. If he asked for 10, (absolutely no proof of that) there will be counter offers back and forth. TO started likely with the Meier deal, so lets just assume they'll meet in the middle, which is 9.6 or so. My guess he'll get 9.5 *8 and that's fine considering the cup is going up and if Willy can eliminate the moments where he disappears for a game or two, he'll push for 50 goals and 90+ points. Horvat and PLD do not impact the game in such a way. So you are low balling yourself.

Like when Keefe benched him. And his defensive game is not atrocious, sometimes it's pretty poor but generally he's pretty decent and when he's at his best it's definitely above average. But reputations are all that matter to most people. You've already missed the mark on Willy's home town and now you are just spouting off nonsense you think because others have said so.

True we're going off of speculation but insiders are usually right especially if theres more than one reporting the same thing. He has all the leverage thats why there was such an uproar with the nylanders, matthews and marners contracts cause they weren't either bridged to stay rfas or they didn't maximize fa time with 8 years. He's basically entering his while prime entering free agency so gms are going to pay what they believe he will be worth rather than for what he is.

I agree he's got a motivation issue which would be a red flag for me as a gm but when he's on he's definitely on

lol i dont know their bios but i watch the games. I can see he isn't above average defensively. I see that him and tavares get offensive zone starts cause they cant be trusted in their own end. Its not terrible theres a bunch of other players like that on good teams but the argument that he's more valuable than a centre is off