Why do you expect other team to want him if you don’t want him?

The fans that want to pay their stars half their worth but love throwing 5 million at any veteran character guy are the worst. Nylander is going to resign and it will be somewhere in the middle between we the 2 sides are now. Neither side wants this to get silly and will compromise.

You're way overpaying to get rid of Murray

Problem player situation - I’m sure another team will help us out

- Leafs ACGM mob

I'm not sure Nylander will re-sign it seems like tree is a hardball kind of guy not like Dubas, last contract Nylander held out until Christmas before he signed he is just that kind of personality and if they want to dig deep he still has tendencies to quit defensively and float at times so tree could be considering a move with him if the price is right clearly he is altering the culture

Nylanders side isn't worried about getting silly but the other side will be very serious I believe

We don't want to pay him and maybe another team does I don't know why I am answering this even though great minds think alike not sure that any two things are exactly the same..

Just trying the hopefully show bargaining chips are available if someone takes him and I like Anaheim to take a little heat of Gibson, help Murray ease in to games and a nice destination to waive the no move hopefully

Nylander isn't leaving. I don't think he'll get traded, even if this lasts throughout the year. He's not getting more than 10.5 on the open market and none of those teams can offer the 8 year contract. He'll make more or less the same amount playing in Toronto even if he only makes 9 per year. Only way I see him leaving is if he actually hates playing here, which would be hard to believe at this point.

Understandable but you missed one factor which is whether tree wants him or not..

Ok I get it now the jealousy meter is high at the moment, that's fair

Treliving clearly wants him. He probably would’ve been traded by now.

If he does end up getting traded or walking as a free agency, they will probably turn on Treliving when they see Nylander signing for "less" elsewhere and producing at the same rate or greater.

Was looking on Twitter and was seeing a lot of people say he's not worth more than Tkachuk or Meier, or that he won't be getting 10Mx7 in ufa on a contender. They don't realize though, that if he goes to any of the tax-free states and gets a 9MX7, he's netting about the same if he were to get 10Mx8 in Toronto. He could also sign with more than 2/3rds of the league and only end up with ~2.5-5M less on a 7-year deal vs 8 in Toronto. Sure, there are other revenue opportunities in Toronto that he may lose, but if he gets traded and then signs an 8-year deal then he's probably not losing much at all.

Nylander wants to stay, he also knows if it goes too long it will get silly. He stepped in at the last moment last time and I absolutely believe he learned some lessons there. He's smart enough to know that if it doesn't get done before the season starts it's going to be a zoo and he won't want that. They'll get closer soon and then it'll come together and then all this crap can end. Why do you think Treliving is signing all these 1 year deals? He needs to keep the books clean for next year.

Nailed it

It's problem media. And then all the fools eat up the drama while troll nation prays for the leafs to implode. It's a vicious circle of nonsense

Ok I got you so those are all reasons he would really consider leaving also regardless of how leaf fans treat treeliving after especially because by the sounds of it a Toronto deal doesn't seem like it will even have a 9 at the start of it and wills probably considering taxes and notices that money doesn't goes far as it would in Alberta or an American market so..

Yeah I just don't agree, it's business and everyone talks about the zoo but essentially their big boys it's about getting paid and I see it different than you where Nylander has stated many times he doesn't care about the media and I think he doesn't care about anything other than hockey but more importantly money, I don't blame him but he won't feel he owes the media a thing and he seems like he's better with the hate he gets but he's still way too carefree he doesn't get distracted much for anything it can be good or bad...that's my take I get you're approach it's more what the media pushes about distraction and all that but if you watch closely that's not an issue for will but the best guys don't really let that distract them anyways.

He wants to stay here. He has said as much many times. He wants to win with his buddies. Shanahan has said he wants to keep the core, Treliving says he wants them and they have kept away from long term deals to make sure their is room. All the signs point to this just being a negotiation like any other. All the drama is just silly.

Look no one lost their mind when MacKinnon became the highest paid player, or when other stars signed big deals. But it's a zoo when it's TO. They wouldn't be "overpaid" had there not been a pandemic. But now you guys just ignore that and say they are greedy while doing exactly what ever other star player has done. Crosby gets lauded for being so cheap but when he signed his deal it had a way bigger cap percentage than Matthews signed for. It's all relative but blown way out of proportion by the media and fans that dream of seeing the leafs burn. The big boys will get their money and this team is going to get over the hump. Definitely need something different on defence though. One responsible bruiser.

I just meant right now, it's Nylander is greedy, later it will be "Treliving lowballed him, fire Treliving". Treliving is definitely going to start the negotiations in the 8s (some people were saying 8M on the dot), and Nylander's cap will start at 10M, they might find a middle ground, or they might not.

Treliving needs to worry about signing other players like Matthews and building a winning roster, but fans can't expect Nylander to sign a team-friendly deal just so that others can get paid more. Yeah, that could mean he no longer has a future with the Leafs but there are other teams out there that would love to have him.

There are probably a lot of reasons for Nylander to want to stay but there's going to have to be some compromises on both sides.

Do you think a team would give Nylander 11x7, because that’s likely what it would take to offer more money than the Leafs. And I’m not that invested in the whole “tax” thing. I’m sure there’s some real arguments there. I do know the Leafs have the luxury of front-loading contracts with big signing bonuses. That’s supposedly a significant advantage (I don’t really know why). Either way, even if Willy was offered that contract, I don’t think there’s a single competitive team in the league that would actually be able to afford that contract, and I’m still not sure why any non-competitive team would want to sign that contract.

I do agree they will meet in the middle eventually. Something in the 9-9.5 range. Everything that happens between now and then is just noise.

I won't take 11x7 to offer more than the Leafs, maybe that's what he would need to account for endorsements. I did my comparison (although it's not perfect since I didn't account for signing bonuses) based on if his entire salary was a base salary, the net income of 80M deal in Toronto (which the Leafs aren't offering) vs 63M elsewhere. The difference ranges from being more money in some of the tax free states to being less by some.

Front-loading the contract does two things 1) gives them more money upfront and who doesn't like that 2) bonuses get taxed different, so it saves them more money. Other teams could give signing bonuses as well though. 68M/76M of Tkachuk's deal is in signing bonuses.

I agree though that they will agree to a 9.2-9.5M deal.

At the end of the day you are worth what someone will pay, I don't think Nylander is greedy I just think if he wants to play on the Leafs that's what he is going to get which seems to be in the 8s....I would give him 10 considering the highest paid guys are 12s, I think Nylander is a superstar but the Leafs are able to pay what they are able to pay I think it's better than just shipping him out at least trying to offer something reasonable I mean tage Thompson is better than Nylander there are comparable players in the 8 range, schieffle at the end of his deal but he does more than Nylander making in 6s I basically think it's a given that they have to move him one player can only do so much and they would have 4 guys at 10+ yes if the cap was already up it might work out but 2-3 4 to 6 mill guys is better than Nylander at 10 it seems or one guy that is 80% of will at 6-7 mil considering Matthews and Marner or the top 2 I think is a better option.